Thread: Live Letter 4.1 SMN Changes

Wonderful, the official translation is just as if not more confusing about the ruin changes than the unofficial ones. Square needs to give some serious clarity on it.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4420958

OK!

Ruin 1 is gone. You'll only have Ruin 2, 3 and 4.

Your base filler spell, Ruin II, should be your most casted spell post-4.1 and pre-4.1. Nothing really changed.

Ruin II turns into Ruin IV on a Further Ruin proc and is instant cast. This change makes it even easier to utilize procs compared to pre-4.1.

Ruin III will maintain its current function aside from the addition: "Instant cast while in DWT". This makes it so the SMN can still keep an incredible amount of mobility for the majority of the fight. Then he can plant his butt for the unaltered Demi-Bahamut. I hope you saved Addle!

SE explained it fairly well in their official translation.

Thank god I couldn’t understand why ruin I existed for so long lol what were they thinking...

I still wish they would correct bahamut to at least be placed somewhere so that he can attack even when you have to move and do mechanics....and I wish he could be roused lol technically he’s a pet just temporary haha

Originally Posted by MidnightTundra

OK!

Ruin 1 is gone. You'll only have Ruin 2, 3 and 4.

Your base filler spell, Ruin II, should be your most casted spell post-4.1 and pre-4.1. Nothing really changed.

Ruin II turns into Ruin IV on a Further Ruin proc and is instant cast. This change makes it even easier to utilize procs compared to pre-4.1.

Ruin III will maintain its current function aside from the addition: "Instant cast while in DWT". This makes it so the SMN can still keep an incredible amount of mobility for the majority of the fight. Then he can plant his butt for the unaltered Demi-Bahamut. I hope you saved Addle!

SE explained it fairly well in their official translation.

Oh this is good. I was wondering the way it was worded..if Ruin IV replaces Ruin II and it still has the long cast..I was like noo don't take away my instant cast attack I spam when I am forced to move lol. If this is how it will be..this is an amazing change.

Originally Posted by MidnightTundra

OK!
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SE explained it fairly well in their official translation.

That is one interpretation and why there is a debate over on Reddit. If you look at the wording the first say tge trait "Ruin Mastery" which is a proc trait currently, but then they use the term "upgraded" when it comes to its prior function and its new function. So is it still a proc or straight upgrade? One would think with the DWT effect it would be just an upgrade, but again the trait in question is the current proc trait.

Then the question arises with Ruin4 and Ruin2. Is it a proc or upgrade? They used the word "upgrade" again. You would think proc due to Enhanced Enkindle, but that could change too.

This is why I said it is confusing as the terminology and the trait they talk about hints at different things.

Ruin IV – Ruin IV currently replaces Ruin and Ruin III while under the effect of Further Ruin. With adjustments made to Ruin Mastery, Ruin IV will now replace Ruin II.

The bolded means that they are changing or altering the function of something. Notice how replace is used twice. The current function is explained and the new function is explain in relation to the previous explanation.

Ruin Mastery – Ruin spells will be seeing some adjustments, so in accordance to this Ruin Mastery has been changed so that instead of Ruin and Ruin III being upgraded to Ruin IV, Ruin will be upgraded to Ruin III.
A new trait which will upgrade Ruin II to Ruin IV will be added.

The Ruin IV explanation above is kinda redundant information from them. We already know Ruin 1 and Ruin 3 upgrade to Ruin IV on proc. This is changing. So instead, Ruin Mastery is being retooled to deleting Ruin I and a new trait trait will control the function of Further Ruin.

Reddit is arguing over a rushed community translation.

I just look at contextual clues.

Yeah, the first "upgrade" in the first sentence can be taken in the wrong way. Ruin I or Ruin III to Ruin IV technically is an upgrade but it's temporary.

The big hint to me that gives away Ruin Mastery's new functionality is that they specifically state that they're making a brand new trait to handle "upgrading" for Ruin II to Ruin IV.

Also, releasing it in the way I am saying its going to work means that SMN gets easier to play. Managing procs and weaving should be easy due to Ruin IV being on your main filler spell and having no cast time. The new Ruin Mastery is to reduce button bloat while maintaining SMNs playstyle.

Exactly. I think it' good cause it's not really a buff, rather simplifying some things to raise skill floor. Which is a good thing.

In my opinion summoner become lot harder play optimally with these changes because if ruin3 is your main filler, that mean they reduce mana cost from it like ruin1. That mean summoner become infinite mana. Once you have no mana problems and pet cast time become 3 seconds. Swapping pets around whole match is probably gonna be optimal. If you want swap between contagion and radiant shield whole fight you can not keep pet sic. You have to manually micromanage the pet.