WAR raid "UTILITY" (Tank Balanced achieved?)

[Tegernako]

For the most part I agree, though only difference id argue is that you couldnt DA delirium before, so the option to DA or not, "almost" reaches this.
As for anticipation, yeah, it is true i tend to take it off for quite a few endgame fights, dependent on how our group works.
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True enough.

But your explanation for scourge makes no sense when you think about PLD. Because all the skills the other tanks lost, PLD kept.

[MyaValentine]

True enough.

But your explanation for scourge makes no sense when you think about PLD. Because all the skills the other tanks lost, PLD kept.

pld was the simplest class in the game, all throughout ARR and HW I loved paladin for the eastetic for what it was and what it was supposed to be, if they took anything ANYTHING from pld might aswell leave it a aouto combo class because simply it can't get any simpler. thank fully SB change this I do believe drk needs scourge I think they actually oversimpplified the class too much and now it feels like pld did back in hw.

[Claire_Pendragon]

True enough.

But your explanation for scourge makes no sense when you think about PLD. Because all the skills the other tanks lost, PLD kept.

Yeah, thats true.
While I dont know, I was thinking that the jobs were assigned to different people or groups, and so DRK and WAR were under a "How can we simplify" group, and PLD was under a "How can we make them complex" group.
But thats just speculation of course.

Darkest Night is OP. that's 1 redeeming quality for you.

For self mitigation, 20% Hp is nice, but the MP cost isnt so nice. (Not terrible, since you at least get blood spiller)
For others, its not as nice. Its quantity over quality, in this example, cover being the better. (Since Cover has a longer CD)

But I do agree it has some benefit for being on a shorter CD.

Really? Darkest Night isn't raid utility because "people aren't depending on a 5k shield". Then wtf is every paladin move?

Can we at least stop the blatant hypocrisy? A 5k shield available every 15 sec that can be used on anyone, or a 10k shield on yourself ISNT the vaunted raid utility? If war got that exact same ability Drks would be crying themselves to sleep rocking back and forth saying "War is the darkest night!" Hell people have tried to trot out holmgang as 'raid utility' lately in this very thread.

Blackest knight is absolutely raid utility. "Its the mitigation they need". Yes all those OT darks are really using it for mitigation. Please.

Drk is in a bit of a rough spot atm, but lets not go delusional.

TBN is single target, which does mean its meant for the MT.
If you're the MT, its no longer what most people consider raid utility (though it technically is raid utility)
If you're the OT, its 10% of your HP, which honestly isnt enough to guarantee the safety of a tank.
Any tank buster that can kill a tank, can have high and low RNG attached, to the point where 10% wont be enough, or will be more than enough.

So most of the time it will be wasted, and some of the time it would be useful.
If thats the case, there are more effective ways for that tank to mitigate the dmg.
(also, im not suggesting TBN is useless, just how its not going to be the deciding factor. My group used TBN mixed with Feint on O3S when awareness was down, for example, and when combined, was enough to guarantee the survival of the MT.)

Being on a 15s CD isnt really a real selling point. sounds nice on paper, but which boss throws out that many TBs? either they throw them out with less than 5s apart, or they throw them out MUCH further apart.
(mainly to make sure all tanks can handle it)
Doing it any quicker than that is bad for the DRK.
So I agree its raid utility, and for the same reason i say holmgang is raid utility. It can only make things easier for the group as a whole.