Thread: 4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

Originally Posted by Vaer

The last time HC players got something like this was almost 3 years ago. I think you can let them attempt this. If the participation level is really bad they just won't do it anymore. The sky is not falling.

Hmm whats this games population 500k to 700k, lets say even 20 thousand or 40 thousand people clear this , is that really enough to justify. I dont even think flogs have 20k parses on one job so that could possibly mean that not even that many people are raiding. Which would make that 40 k number not possible , so If thats the case if not even 40 thousand out of 500ish thousand players are gona be doing this then whats the point exactly.

Originally Posted by bswpayton

Hmm whats this games population 500k to 700k, lets say even 20 thousand or 40 thousand people clear this , is that really enough to justify. I dont even think flogs have 20k parses on one job so that could possibly mean that not even that many people are raiding. Which would make that 40 k number not possible , so If thats the case if not even 40 thousand out of 500ish thousand players are gona be doing this then whats the point exactly.

To have varied content? The clear rates of floor 200 PoTD is probably super low as well. Should they not bother with the higher difficulty floors when they release the new one? What about PvP? Not that many people actually participate in ranked, should they just stop bothering to support PvP? Cmon now.

Originally Posted by Vaer

To have varied content? The clear rates of floor 200 PoTD is probably super low as well. Should they not bother with the higher difficulty floors when they release the new one? What about PvP? Not that many people actually participate in ranked, should they just stop bothering to support PvP? Cmon now.

Don't forget the amount of people that own a house. That storage box and moving feature must have taken a lot of resources

Originally Posted by Vaer

To have varied content? The clear rates of floor 200 PoTD is probably super low as well. Should they not bother with the higher difficulty floors when they release the new one? What about PvP? Not that many people actually participate

Im sorry I just disagree, resources could have been put somewhere else the drop off for each job from v2s up to neo is by several thosand, which to me indicates alot of the players havent even gotten to or beaten neo ex death. So if thats the cause we are talkin possible less than 5 thousand people that will even have access to this ultimate fight. Just doesnt make sense to call this content for this patch , they really should have brought something else out alongside this to justify makin this a standalone content, for patch 4.1. Just doesnt make sense for the big fresh new thing to be a raid that less than 10 thousand people if that , even have access to.

Originally Posted by Vaer

Yeah well did you know they are planning to make a gameplay recording feature and they said it was going to take a lot of resources? If they want it in the game it's going in the game. Is recording the game content to you? I'm guessing no.
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For me when I heard of ultimate it was neither here nor their I was happy for streamers I watched, like mr happy , xenos ex all of that. I like raiding myself I love the part of the game its one of the most important parts of the game to me honestly gettin towards each fight is really fun. But the thing is that for them to bring this out and not bring out a potd, or a eruka however u spell it and just give us the basic stuff that we would have already gotten anyway , and taken a dungeon away is just messed up. Because the fact is ultimate is really not content for the overwhelming majority of people who play this game the other two things I mention is tho but yet they are absent in this patch.


So for the majority what we have is a missing dungeon and the same 24 man that was already coming anyway, and the same ex primal that was already coming anyway. Housing I mean yea so exciting I guess mention before I have a house to but a building is not content. So its not so much this raid its more so is where is that extra content for the dungeon we lost for the normal player not a few thousand

Originally Posted by Vaer

(Actually considering Diadem flopped twice they might just try again anyway)

I'm inclined to consider Ultimate the second try already actually, with Second Coil Savage being the first. Maybe the third if you want to consider Gordias.

For me, it's simple: If they used resources proportionately, then the resources weren't wasted. If you have 1% of hardcores, putting 1% of your resources towards hardcore content seems fine. At 3% resources, I'd start calling waste of resources, it's 3 times as much as they'd deserve. The hard part is judging just how much effort went into it and how big the audience is - You usually rely on experience there and for new content like Lord of Verminion, there was no data. Potentially wasting resources there can't be helped, it only can if you have some data on who might play that content.