Thread: 4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

Originally Posted by bswpayton

Im sorry it still doesnt justify its existence , especially when they said that the raids would be harder each tier already. There is no point for ultimate other than to cater to the 1 percent of the 1 percent, and If it cost any amount of resources then it is kinda a waste. The way they have spoken about this , is that ultimate will be the hardest raid to hit the game thus far , so with that in mind then not a ton of people are gona clear it , and that leaves the question why mmake it in the first place.

1) When people talking about wasting resources, they forget that this is recycled content, likely intentionally. The raid likely isn't an old fight for nostalgia sake, but rather to limit the amount of resources going into this.

2) from a purely progression architecture perspective, ultimate will be one of the best things to happen to the game. People talk about endgame being empty, but when something that takes significant time investment with little resources required gets added, people call for it to be removed. For raiders, this is the equivalent of 2.0/3.0 relic, something that takes a long time and may not be cleared while it is still relevant, but it represents a content with high longevity, which is what this game severely lacks

Originally Posted by Lambdafish

1) When people talking about wasting resources, they forget that this is recycled content, likely intentionally. The raid likely isn't an old fight for nostalgia sake, but rather to limit the amount of resources going into this.

It just seems very hypocritical to me , all the post on here about askin to rework other content and the general feedback is no dont do that , its a waste of resources etc focus on new content. But yet wit this its like oh the game needs this, I dont understand how ones ok but the other isnt ok. And Ive seen many a post askin to rework or readjust other content, to be shut down outright by this forums community. But yet this is totally accetable, this is what Im not understanding.

Originally Posted by Vaer

The last time HC players got something like this was almost 3 years ago. I think you can let them attempt this. If the participation level is really bad they just won't do it anymore. The sky is not falling.

Hmm whats this games population 500k to 700k, lets say even 20 thousand or 40 thousand people clear this , is that really enough to justify. I dont even think flogs have 20k parses on one job so that could possibly mean that not even that many people are raiding. Which would make that 40 k number not possible , so If thats the case if not even 40 thousand out of 500ish thousand players are gona be doing this then whats the point exactly.

Originally Posted by bswpayton

Hmm whats this games population 500k to 700k, lets say even 20 thousand or 40 thousand people clear this , is that really enough to justify. I dont even think flogs have 20k parses on one job so that could possibly mean that not even that many people are raiding. Which would make that 40 k number not possible , so If thats the case if not even 40 thousand out of 500ish thousand players are gona be doing this then whats the point exactly.

To have varied content? The clear rates of floor 200 PoTD is probably super low as well. Should they not bother with the higher difficulty floors when they release the new one? What about PvP? Not that many people actually participate in ranked, should they just stop bothering to support PvP? Cmon now.

Originally Posted by Vaer

To have varied content? The clear rates of floor 200 PoTD is probably super low as well. Should they not bother with the higher difficulty floors when they release the new one? What about PvP? Not that many people actually participate in ranked, should they just stop bothering to support PvP? Cmon now.

Don't forget the amount of people that own a house. That storage box and moving feature must have taken a lot of resources

Originally Posted by Vaer

To have varied content? The clear rates of floor 200 PoTD is probably super low as well. Should they not bother with the higher difficulty floors when they release the new one? What about PvP? Not that many people actually participate

Im sorry I just disagree, resources could have been put somewhere else the drop off for each job from v2s up to neo is by several thosand, which to me indicates alot of the players havent even gotten to or beaten neo ex death. So if thats the cause we are talkin possible less than 5 thousand people that will even have access to this ultimate fight. Just doesnt make sense to call this content for this patch , they really should have brought something else out alongside this to justify makin this a standalone content, for patch 4.1. Just doesnt make sense for the big fresh new thing to be a raid that less than 10 thousand people if that , even have access to.

Originally Posted by bswpayton

Hmm whats this games population 500k to 700k, lets say even 20 thousand or 40 thousand people clear this , is that really enough to justify. I dont even think flogs have 20k parses on one job so that could possibly mean that not even that many people are raiding. Which would make that 40 k number not possible , so If thats the case if not even 40 thousand out of 500ish thousand players are gona be doing this then whats the point exactly.

Let's take this excuse to its logical extreme.

- SE's own official census placed Machinist dead last at 5% in terms of jobs leveled
- Crafting and gathering is largely considered a niche hobby
- Less than 24% of NA players have access to housing; 23% for EU; 29% for JP. This assumes every single house is owned by someone else (i.e. no alts or FC)
- Creator Savage had approximately 15% clear rates after six months
- EX Primals have below average clears
- Less than half the playerbase has even reached 70

So. How much of the aforementioned should get deleted? If no one plays Machinist, why should the devs "waste resources" improving it? If not even a fourth of the playerbase can own a house, I suppose they should stop bothering with furniture recipes. If crafting only has a niche audience, better allocate those funds elsewhere. All of those would be silly extremes no one would reasonably argue for yet Ultimate comes along and it's "wasting resources!" No. It's content you won't do and that bothers you. I think Perform is a pointless addition but also know plenty who will love it. I'm not here complaining about its inclusion simply because I don't care for it. For once, odd numbered patches has something raiders can experience in lieu of beating their heads against the same four fights we've already cleared weeks or months ago.

Kindly, get over it.