Thread: 4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

Originally Posted by TheCount

You mean the game that started with more dungeons, a mythic dungeon system that kept them interesting, and a better reputation system to work toward that was more involved? with more pvp and better pvp? and world quests? and a raid with more difficulty levels? And has had multiple raids with each one being at an entirely different location instead of just being a continuation of boss rooms?

Yeah, FFXIV really has them beat in content currently doesn't it?

Depends on what you want from a mmo. Personally I find a lot of what I love about XIV is simply absent in WoW.

By the way having loads of raid difficulties makes content get old very fast. I got very sick of doing several incarnations of the same bosses. Two difficulties is enough.

Originally Posted by Lambdafish

You are missing the point of ultimate though. There are two kinds of player when it comes to raiding, those that clear everything quickly, and those that don't. For the players that don't clear it quickly, omega lasts for the entire

Im sorry it still doesnt justify its existence , especially when they said that the raids would be harder each tier already. There is no point for ultimate other than to cater to the 1 percent of the 1 percent, and If it cost any amount of resources then it is kinda a waste. The way they have spoken about this , is that ultimate will be the hardest raid to hit the game thus far , so with that in mind then not a ton of people are gona clear it , and that leaves the question why mmake it in the first place.

Originally Posted by bswpayton

[...]and that leaves the question why mmake it in the first place.

To give people more incentive to keep playing and trying to clear it. It's like the hardest difficulty in a lot of games, where you get hit once, you're almost dead, twice and you restart from the checkpoint. While other games, you get hit once(in the toe even) and you die, starting over the ENTIRE level, not just from last checkpoint which could be the room right before the final encounter in it.

If they did it as I am suspecting(and I don't do the savage raids, so there is 0% chance of me attempting it in the first place), then it will likely be harder than most, if not all, of the next tier of Omega.

Originally Posted by bswpayton

Im sorry it still doesnt justify its existence , especially when they said that the raids would be harder each tier already. There is no point for ultimate other than to cater to the 1 percent of the 1 percent, and If it cost any amount of resources then it is kinda a waste. The way they have spoken about this , is that ultimate will be the hardest raid to hit the game thus far , so with that in mind then not a ton of people are gona clear it , and that leaves the question why mmake it in the first place.

1) When people talking about wasting resources, they forget that this is recycled content, likely intentionally. The raid likely isn't an old fight for nostalgia sake, but rather to limit the amount of resources going into this.

2) from a purely progression architecture perspective, ultimate will be one of the best things to happen to the game. People talk about endgame being empty, but when something that takes significant time investment with little resources required gets added, people call for it to be removed. For raiders, this is the equivalent of 2.0/3.0 relic, something that takes a long time and may not be cleared while it is still relevant, but it represents a content with high longevity, which is what this game severely lacks

Originally Posted by Lambdafish

1) When people talking about wasting resources, they forget that this is recycled content, likely intentionally. The raid likely isn't an old fight for nostalgia sake, but rather to limit the amount of resources going into this.

It just seems very hypocritical to me , all the post on here about askin to rework other content and the general feedback is no dont do that , its a waste of resources etc focus on new content. But yet wit this its like oh the game needs this, I dont understand how ones ok but the other isnt ok. And Ive seen many a post askin to rework or readjust other content, to be shut down outright by this forums community. But yet this is totally accetable, this is what Im not understanding.

Originally Posted by TheCount

I'm still with FFXIV because i'm entirely burned out on WoW and imo there's a better community here, but the content train really needs to get going or people will just run out of things to keep them interested sooner or later.

It's funny you say this because this is one of the major reasons why I quit WoW. I don't know about now but certainly up to the end of WoD 99% of patch content was for max level players and the best content among that was for raiders. At least in FFXIV you don't have to be super serious about pve for patches to have any relevance to you.