Thread: 4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

Originally Posted by bswpayton

who said it revolved around me but I certainly know it doesn't revolve around people whom do super savage either so I dont really understand ur point. Like I said super savage is for a handful of people and streamers to show on youtube Id hardly call that content but you can if you want to.

You do realize the raiding community is important to this game don't you? They need a challenge just like other groups have other interests to motivate them. Raiding took an awful hit in heavensward to the point people were leaving servers in droves to find others to play with. I for one am happy they're getting something and personally I think it's long overdue.

Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

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I usually agree wit you bourne-Endeavor but I just dont feel like this is the case, the devs have already said they anticipated that many people would clear v1s and v2s and struggle with v3s, and 4s. They said this in a live letter so its not like even all raiders are destroying this whole raid tier we have now even if some believe its watered down. So if the data already shows that people have struggled with ,3 and 4 then if super savage is 10 times harder than 4, then how many people are we really talkin here. It would be Im guessing people such as your self and streamers and such I like to watch like xeynos, happy etc, but if this lives up to what they claim and have boasted about then this should be the hardest raid in the game thus far, so if thats the case then even most raiders wont even be clearing it either thus = a waste of resources.

Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

You do realize the raiding community is important to this game don't you? They need a challenge just like other groups have other interests to motivate them. Raiding took an awful hit in heavensward to the point people were leaving servers in droves to find others to play with. I for one am happy they're getting something and personally I think it's long overdue.

I agree, the raid community is important. All community factions in the game are. I'm happy they got a higher raid even though I don't raid. But is this content going to keep them around for any noticeable length of time? It's one raid, farmable within a week, then the raiders that stick around for the challenge unsub and wait for the next one. To clarify I don't like PoTD. PotD was new content and it is still relevant today. Almost everything in this patch is whitewash that won't last.

Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Raiding took an awful hit in heavensward to the point people were leaving servers in droves to find others to play with.

Yes - and remember why? Because the raid tier at the time was way too difficult. Because it catered to an extremely narrow hardcore crowd and while the actual difficulty of Ultimate is yet to be seen, it appears to cater to that exact crowd as well (It's hyped up to be anyway). And remember how Creator revived the raid scene? Right, by being easier and thus more accessible.

Personally, I'd start being worried Ultimate doesn't cause raiding to take a hit again. It comes two turns later than A3S did, which is a good thing, but it'll probably be a similar situation for those who DO intend to tackle it.

Originally Posted by bswpayton

I usually agree wit you bourne-Endeavor but I just dont feel like this is the case, the devs have already said they anticipated that many people would clear v1s and v2s and struggle with v3s, and 4s. They said this in a live letter so its not like even all raiders are destroying this whole raid tier we have now even if some believe its watered down. So if the data already shows that people have struggled with ,3 and 4 then if super savage is 10 times harder than 4, then how many people are we really talkin here. It would be Im guessing people such as your self and streamers and such I like to watch like xeynos, happy etc, but if this lives up to what they claim and have boasted about then this should be the hardest raid in the game thus far, so if thats the case then even most raiders wont even be clearing it either thus = a waste of resources.

To be fair, clear rates for Creator shot up significantly once 3.5 released. Many casual raiders either wait until the catch up patch or simply aren't quite ready to prog through Neo. Personally, I doubt Ultimate will be nearly as difficult as the hype suggests. Yoshida has been prattling on about Thordan's difficult since Zurvan yet neither he nor Shinryu come remotely close. I could be proven wrong in the later's case, but I'll be shocked. My estimation is Angered downs Ultimate within 10 hours-- with other hardcore groups not too far behind. If that's the case, expect midcore raiders, myself included, to bring it down in a couple weeks which places it between Neo Exdeath and Living Liquid.

Originally Posted by Zojha

Personally, I'd start being worried Ultimate doesn't cause raiding to take a hit again. It comes two turns later than A3S did, which is a good thing, but it'll probably be a similar situation for those who DO intend to tackle it.

You're neglecting one factor. Gordias gated progression during a time when there was very little else to do. Ultimate literally offers nothing except bragging rights and maybe a mount and/or title. For those uninterested, you have Ivalice, Savage, Shinryu, Squadron stuff, PvP and etc to focus on. Back in 3.1, all you had was Thordan and Void Ark. One good piece of content and one so undertuned it's a common joke to call it a walking simulator.