4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

**Elkanah** · 10-01-2017 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Rufalus

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Gonna remind you, like the other people, that's all coming in short term time periods. Most of that structure you mentioned? Guess what? Same stuff we got with ARR and HW. And you're defending it, which is incredibly laughable.

4.1 through 4.15 is...
> Alliance raid ----------- This was in ARR
> Light-Party Dungeon ----------- This was in ARR
> Main Scenario quests ----------- this is all of FFXIV online
> New PvP mode and map ------------- we had new pvp modes since ARR. Sad part? DEVS. DONT. PAY. ATTENTION. TO. CHEATING. Know what else we got? Win trading! Your point is invalid here. Also botting. Just FYI.
> New housing area and updates ------------ We got this in ARR.
> First ever Ultimate raid --------- We called it coil back in my day. Again, one piece of endgame raid content.
> Extreme trial ------------ also ARR content.
> Squadron dungeon content ------------- something new to HW but capitalizing. Oh, but it's less XP for doing it and older content, not newer stuff. That makes total sense. I'm gonna take my level 60-70 jobs and grind through older content 15-49/50 for LESS XP than POTD and/or relevant dungeons. Smart idea!
> Hildibrand sidequests -------------- since ARR.
> Beast Tribe quests ---------- also arr content we had.
> Perform music feature ------------ something new and interesting, but defeats 4.1, which was pushed back to 4.2 cause of packet delay. So this was thrown out for 4.1 content.
> Custom Delivery content ---------------- re-hashing already established content from HW.
> Deeper treasure map dungeon with new mechanics ---------------- This doesn't do anything if there's no current gear and/or weapons (both preferred) at the same time, and below tome level gear. Also invalid argument.
> Many major UI improvements ------------ happening and improving since ARR.
> Cross-world friend list, tells ------------- new, and should have been in the game since forever ago back in ARR. Only now being implemented.
> Raid roulette + adjustments to Labyrinth ------------ also something they should have added when raids came out. Something we'd been asking for years. And only now did they decide to do it.
> and the usual job fixes, new mounts, etc ------------ again, since ARR.

Most of what you described, has been un-compelling content. It's the same content we had since ARR. Again, the structure hasn't changed.

-New dungeons for tomes to grind at 30 tomes a run
-new primal
-new ex primal
-new 24 man raid

Out of all that, you only named two things that will be relevant. the 24 man raid at gear at or below ilvl current, and ultimate bahamut, which, if it has gear equivalent to Omega Savage right now, then we got some horizontal progression content. Squads are nice, but if i get less xp for running an instance solo, while good for down town because I can control the npc's behaviour, it's not gonna make me want to run it if it's old content. But they need guinea pigs to test it in newer dungeon content.

But, as I've learned from world of warcraft forums from someone:
"basically every MMO is about redoing the same content over and over again. Liking that or not is personal taste."

**Maleficent** · 10-01-2017 05:37 PM

As consumers, it's fair to give feedback. As fellow human beings, perhaps it's also fair to ask to be civil when doing so?

We won't ever all agree. That's fine and in certain ways, awesome. We all make up the FFXIV community. Raiders, GlamourPusses, Socials, Interior Decorators, and every other tag that has been given to an MMO player.

Feedback gives the devs a more rounded feel with their game stats to decide where to take the game next. It's never a bad thing when taken objectively.

It's a good foundation patch with QoL changes and adjustments to classes. Santa didn't give us everything on our wishlist; and for some of us, anything on our list. But if it benefits others in the community, it's not a bad thing?

**Vahlnir** · 10-01-2017 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Elkanah

Gonna remind you, like the other people, that's all coming in short term time periods. Most of that structure you mentioned? Guess what? Same stuff we got with ARR and HW. And you're defending it, which is incredibly laughable.

What's laughable is this, mostly because they told everyone in advance...months and months before SB even, that they were sticking to the same formula (mostly). And..you're still here. Just because the formula hasn't changed much, doesn't mean we aren't getting new content. New content = content that has just released and relevant. A few things did get pushed back though, so we'll have to see how that pans out. While it might not be relevant to YOU, it's relevant to others. You seem unhappy with any content in the game period, so...yeah, they're never going to please you.

**SpiritMuse** · 10-01-2017 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Elkanah

Gonna remind you, like the other people, that's all coming in short term time periods. Most of that structure you mentioned? Guess what? Same stuff we got with ARR and HW. And you're defending it, which is incredibly laughable.

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But, as I've learned from world of warcraft forums from someone:
"basically every MMO is about redoing the same content over and over again. Liking that or not is personal taste."

I liked all of the stuff we got in ARR and HW. So I have no objections to getting more of the same. At all. I'll continue to enjoy it, because it's exactly to my taste. Clearly it's not to yours, though. I'm sorry for that. But that doesn't automatically mean it's bad. Maybe, according to your quote at the end, MMOs are, ultimately, just not the type of game for you.

**Rufalus** · 10-01-2017 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Elkanah

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I tried to prevent that kind of reply with my line "You can go through the list of content and say that none of it interests you personally, but saying the devs are doing less work every year is a false claim." Was only trying to make a point that there is a lot of content. Good or bad is subjective and they will never please everybody. It's easy to run down the whole list and say bad, bad, bad, bad. You called the new content invalid but... anything would be with your criteria. You said the new pvp mode doesn't count as new because it can be categorised as pvp and we've had pvp before. I mean, yeah, and it's an mmorpg so things will involve battling and characters and such, they aren't going to suddenly flip it into something completely different like a flight simulator.

**Lufir** · 10-01-2017 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Rufalus

It's gonna be a huge patch for the little things like...

There is probably enough for me in this patch as I have been playing a few other games. But, I think the quoted text is the main issue people have. Too many little things that help make the bullet points like yours a little bit longer. People want content that is going to last long enough through the next patch cycle. This is where Eureka/relic could have helped tremendously as it is usually a grind. So I do understand people's frustration. The little things like Bard's perform, squads, and UI improvements should of taken a back seat or slowly worked on after actual core content like Eureka or the 2nd Deep Dungeon. And let's be real, housing is not content that everyone gets to experience. It has and is always going to be for a very select few who are lucky enough to be the first to log on when the patch is live on Oct. 10th. After that first 10 minute window, you're outta luck.

**ErryK** · 10-01-2017 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Rita1989

To be fair 4.1 is partially the same way, the new pvp mode was delayed from 4.0 and guessing they intentionally delayed Shirogane housing until 4.1 so the patch looks more beefy and keeps people subscribed into 4.1

Keyword: Partially

People are sitting here saying it's empty...

**Elkanah** · 10-01-2017 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by Vahlnir

What's laughable is this, mostly because they told everyone in advance...months and months before SB even, that they were sticking to the same formula (mostly). And..you're still here.

Wouldn't have even bothered to say anything had they at LEAST shown us Eureka, even with the push back to advise us what we can expect. Yes, I'm aware that some of that content or that there had been interviews that they will be deciding to stay with a consistent formula. But, as I've learned from world of warcraft forums from someone: "basically every MMO is about redoing the same content over and over again. Liking that or not is personal taste". But hey, I guess having many people quit the game, not keeping people and bringing in new people and those people becoming veterans to run into the same issue and also quitting, repeating the cycle must be okay for you.

**Mug** · 10-01-2017 06:09 PM

I think the main issue is that they had to delay Eureka, which means we'll get very little battle content. Disregarding Unending Coil, we're looking at three new PvE duties (four, if we count the new secret rooms in Uznair, but that's heavily dependant on RNG), and you can't argue that's not a lot. You also have to take in consideration that only two of those are totally new.

For me, I'll always take quality over quantity, so if the new duties ooze of developer creativity and are engaging and fun and not just the same old formula, I won't complain. Return to Ivalice has so much potential, so I hope they try to step out of the box and are not afraid to experiment with it. I saw a swimming scene in the trailer, which gives me a small glimmer of hope.

**Elkanah** · 10-01-2017 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Rufalus

You said the new pvp mode doesn't count as new because it can be categorised as pvp and we've had pvp before.

You know how much win trading and botting is making pvp happen? Do you know how many different forums are out there right now with issues of people win trading and cheating, and yet since BEFORE the feast, the pvp content has had that same consistent issue that squeenix hasn't addressed? Know how fast that's going to die out? If you give content, and aren't bothering to listening to the feedback of the community, you're just feeding the flame, and not helping to cast out the fire.

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