Thread: Monk ignored for 4.1

What I've been getting told, skill speed is great for monks now that TP isn't an issue like it was in Heavensward for two reasons: one, monks have the strongest auto attacks in the game, and auto attack damage is directly related to skill speed, just like DOTs. Two, higher skill speed, at the right thresholds, will mean you can get off more attacks under Riddle of Fire.

However, crit should absolutely be your number one stat since your chakras are now directly connected to critical hits. This is true regardless of if you're planning on raiding high end content.

I feel that Monks will not be addressed because the developers don't see Riddle of Fire as a problem because of the numbers it puts out.

Originally Posted by Blanchimont

I feel that Monks will not be addressed because the developers don't see Riddle of Fire as a problem because of the numbers it puts out.

Which is a shame because MNK's toolkit is a train wreck.


One Ilm Punch and Arm of the Destroyer are lack luster skills because the damage on them has to be hampered due to having secondary effects, which are useless in 90% of content and even when they would be useful, they're gated by Form stances which further limits their usefulness. I really wish One Ilm Punch would be converted into a Line AoE, the silence effect tacked on to Steel Peak and AotD just became a decent AoE attack.

Tornado Kick is still a huge DPS loss in any situation because GL is too large a cost for MNK to trade away and then Riddle of Earth just complicates this because it functions to stop us from losing GL so we don't have to use Tornado Kick in the 1st place.

Tackle Mastery is so bad that the person that thought of it should be thrown to the wolves, rescued and then thrown into a lion's den. It's just so poorly thought out it that there is no saving it as it currently is. It's pointless, pure and simple. Fist Stances are also a relic of the past. Realistically, you're in Fire 99% of the time with Earth only seeing use due to RoE anymore. Wind is a joke to use anywhere outside of town so really, it should just be a movement speed trait and be axed as an active skill. Unless they make it so that each stance equal to one other, Fire will just continue to be used and any abilities, traits, etc that involve alternative stances is doomed to fall into obscurity.

imo mnk is in the "progress" meta (like rdm), just not in the "speedkill" meta (like rdm)

for personal high fflogs dps, put a mnk in a 2-3 melee party comp and mnk will be close to sam if not out dpsing a sam, depending on the fight

Originally Posted by Mikey_R

If people say, well, play another DPS job, that's fine, but if people have to stop playing a job they used to enjoy to play something else, which they might not enjoy as much, then that clearly shows that there is a problem with Monk.

I think Square knew this was going to be the end result. I mean just watch the Stormblood trailer. Warrior of Light monk sees his new skills and the mess that the expansion made of his job, and switches to Samurai before he even gets off the boat in Kugane because he doesn't have to get new gear.

But joking aside, you're right. I mained monk in Heavensward after falling in love with the job leveling it up to get Mantra (I had previously been maining ninja) but with this expansion, I feel like I've had to shelf a job I loved because playing it is such a mess.

Bumped. I browsed the JP monk forums and they are basically echoing this forum. Stances are too short, GL3 too short compared to botd. PB is too long for what it is. Brotherhood is rng and buff should affect monk, recast on TFC is annoying when you do get good rng. TK sees minimal use. Too many GL maintenance skills (form shift, TK if you will lose it, RoE). Tackle mastery sucks and sees no real use. Deep meditation is useful but still dislike the rng and Slowdown from RoF is against Monk's identity. Hopefully devs will listen to the jp forums

I don't think they're listening to any monk atm. It seems like all resources are going into Eureka.

Originally Posted by Tigerlilley

I don't think they're listening to any monk atm. It seems like all resources are going into Eureka.

I'm sure they're hearing our complaints, they're just dismissing them the same way they dismissed Bards' complaints about Wanderer's in Heavensward.

Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd

I'm sure they're hearing our complaints, they're just dismissing them the same way they dismissed Bards' complaints about Wanderer's in Heavensward.

At least the original Wanderer's got a .01 patch. You know, back when it was only usable for your first three shots of a fight, and had a 3-second cast time...

But none of our issues are actually fatal enough to make us non-viable, insofar as any particular ability on which we'd be dependent (we could take RoE, FoW, FoE, OIP, etc., off our hotbars and lose virtually nothing) or as a whole.

We're the soldier who just keeps marching, even though our guts are scrambled or missing. Sure, some of that zombie-ness is visible to outsiders, but our performance is still close enough that we can be brushed off indefinitely.