~Poll~ Longer fights <Do you want it?>

[Khal_Drogo]

i'm trying really hard not to be rude- but i'll go ahead and ask anyway. are you really stupid, or just really ignorant and jumping to irrational conclusions about something you know absolutely nothing about?

it could be a bit of both, but i'm gonna go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume it's a case of the latter.

it's absolutely ridiculous that i have to explain this to you, but here goes.

note the dates of the videos posted. pay close attention to the link and video i provided versus yours. note the instance was added in the Wrath of the Lich King expansion, where the level cap was 80. note the video you posted is circa Cataclysm expansion, with a level cap of 85. note the enormous difference in health and damage in the videos. and the guy is in heroic firelands gear- a full 150 item levels higher than ulduar gear (226)...

so what you've basically done is take someone talking about time/level appropriate difficulty in content (say, Nidhogg from Zilart expansion in FFXI, level 75 content) and use a counter example that is absolutely not time/level appropriate (say, a level 95 character in Abyssea gear soloing level 75 Nidhogg). and that is your basis for a difficulty comparison?

for the love of christ, did you even READ the strat page? (obviously not)

so i ask again- are you irrational and ignorant, or just talking out of your ass? neither reflects particularly well on you, but i'm going to assume the latter again for your sake. because i'm such a nice guy.

so who exactly are you to judge difficulty and skill in videogames, anyway? i participated in server first kills of most HNM content in FFXI, and i'd say Bahamut V.2 and Vrtra were the biggest challenges. i participated in server first clears of SSC, TK, BT, and Hyjal, and just missed the mark on Sunwell. I cleared Ulduar hard modes in 10 and 25 man content, got my rusted and iron-bound proto drakes... and i did it *before* ICC, much less the increased level cap in Cata.

and none of my experiences in ffxiv even begin to rival any of my experiences in prior MMOs in terms of difficulty.

and tell me, what do you know of difficulty and skill, anyway? it took you over a MONTH to beat Moogle? and where's your speed achievement? show me your 80-85 DPS parses (from start to finish, not just phase 2).

see, here's the thing. when i talk about something being difficult, there's a pretty strong chance it's actually difficult. when i talk about something requiring skill, there's a pretty strong chance it actually requires skill. people took weeks and weeks to finally beat Yogg 25 regular, months to do the hard modes. the people who did that are clearly much better players than you. those people are also better than the majority of players who beat moogle within the first week. (again- more than a month before you)

i speak from a position of experience, you speak from a position of bias and ignorance. and yet you have the audacity to assume *you* are the expert witness here? keep dreaming, kid.

and p.s. thanks for underscoring *precisely* why i can't take 98% of this game's playerbase at all seriously.

First of all, Fusional, you need to reevaluate your argument. You keep comparing XIV to WoW, and then you boast about your "feats" in XI as if the 3 are all connected...

I'm gonna hit you back with one of those condescending, rhetorical questions you seem to love so much. Are you making irrational statements on purpose, or are you just ignorant? "I'm a nice guy, so I'll assume the latter" -lol, don't mean to be a prick, but just thought you should "see yourself."

No one here, as far as I can tell, is saying that WoW is easier than XIV. Just b/c they dis WoW and *compare* it to XIV does not mean that they're saying **XIV** is harder. In fact, most of them are raging about how easy, and dull, XIV is in it's current state. When ppl insult XIV, using WoW as a reference, it shouldn't be difficult for you to figure out their logic:

XIV sucks a$$ just like WoW does, THUS adjustments need to be made to bring about the same challenges we faced in **XI** (not that difficult to grasp).

WoW is easy *COMPARED TO XI* , not XIV.....ok? Stop comparing WoW's content difficulty to XIV's content difficulty. Neither of them are challenging (compared to XI). That is the argument being made here.


It's like you're arguing against yourself....I think everyone agrees, on a scale of 1-100, WoW is like a 50, and XIV is a 10. That's not the issue, though. We want XIV in the same league as XI. And seeing how "familar" you are w/ XI's content, I think you can agree that WoW doesn't even begin to compare (Pre-Abbysea).

[Valmonte]

There going to have to other wise your going to run into the old Not enough mobs to go around problem.

Wasn't nary a dodo to be had at launch, you had to fight people to get a shot at that dodo. it was general all round Anarchy Rape and Murdure.

[Soukyuu]

fusional, go take a breather and chill. Your post shows precisely why I don't like posting on these forums. People here seem to be unable to discuss in a calm and neutral way.

[fusional]

fusional, go take a breather and chill. Your post shows precisely why I don't like posting on these forums. People here seem to be unable to discuss in a calm and neutral way.

"oh, you don't like it when people let petty, ignorant personal biases cloud better judgment and their ability to think critically and discuss constructively and objectively. people like you suck QQ wahhhh"

k

Sorry, doesn't matter what you linked, now is now, and you were talking in the now... "yet nothing in this game even begins to rival Yogg Saron (WoW) in difficulty. not even remotely close." Sorry, but you just typed a long thing of nothing good job

ALSO good job on contradicting yourself! Shazzamel!

you haven't the faintest understanding of how logic works, do you? of how to make reasonable, well-constructed arguments? of how to engage in productive discourse?

i'd call you a troll, but i'm entirely convinced now you're just catastrophically dense. (and probably 14 years old)

but, yeah. good job making baseless arguments with inaccurate and incorrect examples, then having absolutely nothing to say for yourself and nothing to counter with when your feeble excuse for an argument is categorically deconstructed.

[Rokien]

"oh, you don't like it when people let petty, ignorant personal biases cloud better judgment and their ability to think critically and discuss constructively and objectively. people like you suck QQ wahhhh"

k

Please stop right now, you are just making your points even less valid ^.^

[Soukyuu]

"oh, you don't like it when people let petty, ignorant personal biases cloud better judgment and their ability to think critically and discuss constructively and objectively. people like you suck QQ wahhhh"

Thank you for proving my point.

[Rokien]

you haven't the faintest understanding of how logic works, do you? of how to make reasonable, well-constructed arguments? of how to engage in productive discourse?

i'd call you a troll, but i'm entirely convinced now you're just catastrophically dense. (and probably 14 years old)

but, yeah. good job making baseless arguments with inaccurate and incorrect examples, then having absolutely nothing to say for yourself and nothing to counter with when your feeble excuse for an argument is categorically deconstructed.

Of course I do I took a logic class . Hmmm Dense, naaa, gullible, yaaa. My argument was not inaccurate please tell me how it was inaccurate? You were talking about a boss, you didn't say it WAS one of the hardest things, you didn't say the OLD WoW, you just said WoW in general so, Iwas correct in every way

[fusional]

Of course I do I took a logic class . Hmmm Dense, naaa, gullible, yaaa. My argument was not inaccurate please tell me how it was inaccurate? You were talking about a boss, you didn't say it WAS one of the hardest things, you didn't say the OLD WoW, you just said WoW in general so, Iwas correct in every way

i've already demonstrated precisely how your argument was inaccurate. the fact that you either refused to read or process it doesn't make it any less valid, doesn't make it suddenly cease to exist. go back and read it. (specifically the parts using FFXI examples)

and no, you clearly didn't take a course in logic or critical thinking. if you did, you slept through it.

regardless, allow me to help. this TED talk should be very helpful and informative.

[Rokien]

Sorry, doesn't matter what you linked, now is now, and you were talking in the now... "yet nothing in this game even begins to rival Yogg Saron (WoW) in difficulty. not even remotely close." Sorry, but you just typed a long thing of nothing good job

ALSO good job on contradicting yourself! Shazzamel!

[fusional]

how so?

take your time explaining that with valid logic and evidence.



(incoming evasive deflection/projection maneuvers in 5... 4... 3...)