I'm afraid about dungeons with the squad...

[Grann-Goro]

Hello people of Eorzea.

Here is the thing : as the title says, i'm a little afraid about this option we will have soon to do dungeons in total solo mode thanks to the squad.

I mean, it can be convenient, sure.
But is it not something that goes against what MMOs are supposed to be ?

I've always said to myself that this game does a great job in teaching MMO to its player base, by forcing them to make use of teamplay during the leveling (unlike...hum Wow...).
Now, it will basically be an option... and I'm afraid that, in the long term, it will damage the community.

What do you think of it ?
Will there be strong restrictions to this possibility ?
Do you think it's rather a good thing ?

[DrWho2010]

you can already do some dungeons solo with undersize.... so i don't really see the difference?

[Zojha]

I think it's a fairly consequent thing.
People always go on about how this is a Final Fantasy game and Final Fantasy games are predominantly solo games. It just seems fitting.

Snark aside, I'm not overly worried - Squadrons are unlocked fairly late and it takes a while to level them, so most people will only use them for alt jobs. And most of the ones that do will probably be less skilled players people would rather see out of DF anyway. Moreover, I don't think recent content is included, it's probably gonna lag behind an expansion. And I doubt they program the AI to deal with semi-complex mechanics either, in fact, I'd not be surprised if even the first boss in Sastasha (Hard) would break the healer AIs neck.

Worst thing I can see is queues for old content getting longer, truth be told.

[Grann-Goro]

Hum... That's a good point

But undersize is only for past extentions content.
So maybe it should be the same for squad dungeons. However, I heared we wil be able to do high level dungeons this way too...

[Rasler_Heios]

I think that the latest LLP digest stated that this will not be for all dungeons, only for some, so I am guessing it will also be the same as undersizing which is for older content dungeons only. There is another thread similar to this, and in there one even made a comment that SE might even just try this for the first three low level dungeons.

[Ferth]

My guess is that the squad level cap will rise to 60 and we won't be able to go into any dungeons with the squad over level 60. Nice for story, maybe a decent way to level up squads but probably not going to be much use for anything else. Certainly won't de-legitimize normal dungeon runs.

[Farkle]

Hum... That's a good point

But undersize is only for past extentions content.
So maybe it should be the same for squad dungeons. However, I heared we wil be able to do high level dungeons this way too...

Where did you hear this? Sounds made up.

[Grann-Goro]

Where did you hear this? Sounds made up.

Oh ! I just made the research, and I found that it actually was a mistranslated piece of information.

In french,this was said:
"La limite de niveau des escouades augmentera également et ils pourront utiliser des mirages. Vous pourrez donc participer au vrai contenu de haut niveau avec les membres de votre escouade, bonne chance!"
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/346410

In english,this was said:
"The level cap for the squadron members is increased, and they will be able to glamour as well, so the true endgame, glamour, will be available for your squadron members now too. Good luck!"
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...est-(9-27-2017)

They only talked about endgame "glamour", but that's not what was said in french.
In french, they said : "you will be able to participate to true endgame content with your squadron."

[Vorlonshadow]

My guess is that it will be level 50 inly

[Maero]

I highly doubt you will be able to bring squads to say an Expert Roulette and do the end dungeons.
As everyone would just go that route and not bother with randoms via df
Which also brings up the question if it will be just lower level dungeons, why bother?