4.1 and us tanks

**MyaValentine** · 09-26-2017 04:57 PM

maybe not for 4.1 but i surehope for 4.2 for an actuall fix on right side gear.

**Cabalabob** · 09-26-2017 07:55 PM

I'd kinda like to see dark mind be made a 15% damage reduction of all types and 30% under dark arts, since dark mind is supposed to be like DRKs answer to sheltron and sheltron can now block magic and DRK is kind of lacking on cooldowns right now.

**Aana** · 09-26-2017 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by Cabalabob

I'd kinda like to see dark mind be made a 15% damage reduction of all types and 30% under dark arts, since dark mind is supposed to be like DRKs answer to sheltron and sheltron can now block magic and DRK is kind of lacking on cooldowns right now.

Better equivalency is Shelltron=IB=Blackest night. Short CD. 20ish% damage reduction for a very short period (1 hit, 5 sec, 6 sec) effective on all damage types. Usuable for virtually every tank buster in a fight and then some. Every tank has their 'always up' mini CD.

**Azerhan** · 09-27-2017 12:45 AM

Buff the dps of the DRK and the WAR, DRK because it should be stronger than the PLD - that is the main argument of the DRK: stronger than the PLD but less than the WAR, more resistant than the WAR but less than the PLD... But now he's just weaker than PLD and the WAR and... Equally resistant with the WAR? But far less than the PLD.
Maybe with buffing Dark Passenger - which is useless until we have 10 mobs around us, and so useless in Trials/ Raid, and Blood Price - in single target it doesn't deserve the using of Delirium! Maybe down the cost of TBN? Also, making the Living Dead more visible should be great.
So more dps for the DRK tobe at his place, and for the WAR: more dps to balance the absence of support. To be sure it stays the "DPS-Tank" of FF XIV.

Oh, and please, for the love of the God, please bring back Scourge and old Delirium's animations back...

**ScotchyScotch** · 09-27-2017 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by Aana

Better equivalency is Shelltron=IB=Blackest night. Short CD. 20ish% damage reduction for a very short period (1 hit, 5 sec, 6 sec) effective on all damage types. Usuable for virtually every tank buster in a fight and then some. Every tank has their 'always up' mini CD.

And yet one tank has their mini CD locked behind tank stance and a guarantee of dps loss for using it.

**Freyyy** · 09-27-2017 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by ScotchyScotch

And yet one tank has their mini CD locked behind tank stance and a guarantee of dps loss for using it.

Yeah but the same tank has the highest number of CDs on top of having the shortest recasts on both their biggest defensive cooldown and their invuln compared to the other two tanks.

**shao32** · 09-27-2017 03:33 AM

Originally Posted by Azerhan

WAR: more dps to balance the absence of support. To be sure it stays the "DPS-Tank" of FF XIV.

no and millions of time no, buffing WAR dps when is already top in tank just Will make It semi mandattory again so no, the actual balance on dps of the tanks its good, only drk need a little push.

**Aana** · 09-27-2017 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by ScotchyScotch

And yet one tank has their mini CD locked behind tank stance and a guarantee of dps loss for using it.

My response was in reply to making a poor comparison between dark mind and inner beast when drk has an closer functional equivalent to IB already. (Very short CD, similar mitigation value to IB/Shelltron, universal damage type, etc)

If you want to compare abilities in a vacuum everything is jacked up. IB is a DPS loss vs being in deliverance FC, sure, but you aren't in deliverance if youre using IB anyway so its a dps gain. Also shelltron/Darkest are 1 offs for a single hit while IB both heals and is continuous mitigation for 6 sec and reduces CD on infuriate. Oh but drks can use it for half effect on party members! Well instead of shelltron pld can intervention for the same cost on other people and use a CD! Well Drks gives gauge which can be used to increase damage even more! Etc. Etc.

Vacuum comparisons get real dumb real fast trying to rate X skill> Y skill. You have to compare the entire package of the class. They all have similar tools. Not the same tools. All have an immunity, but you can fight all day about which ones better because they are different. Same for their always up IB/DN/Shell.

**Azerhan** · 09-27-2017 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by shao32

no and millions of time no, buffing WAR dps when is already top in tank just Will make It semi mandattory again so no, the actual balance on dps of the tanks its good, only drk need a little push.

If you just up the DRK and not the WAR, this last will be forgotten as the MNK in HW imo.
Again, WAR doesn't have anything to support other players when DRK has TBN, just for example. The top in tank now is Pld, you see it everywere; WAR is most used when the fight doesn't need an OT.
We know when only one tank is buff, one is indirectly nerfed. If buffing DRK results to see the WAR set aside...

**shao32** · 09-27-2017 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by Azerhan

If you just up the DRK and not the WAR, this last will be forgotten as the MNK in HW imo.
Again, WAR doesn't have anything to support other players when DRK has TBN, just for example. The top in tank now is Pld, you see it everywere; WAR is most used when the fight doesn't need an OT.
We know when only one tank is buff, one is indirectly nerfed. If buffing DRK results to see the WAR set aside...

TBN cant be call raid utility at all in how works due use it dont offer almost nothing to the DRK more that a dps loose depending of who need it in you party list, and for extra mitigation on the MT not really bcs both PLD and WAR surpass by far in the mitigation field specially WAR, so in that DRK and WAR are in the same boat, buff DRK is necesary but not in a huge way bcs we are 200 dps lower and our mitigation is worst in terms of recast and all we lost, the actual level of dps betwen tanks its almost perfect, WAR is the most versatile tank of the moment, PLD is king for the utility but WAR still have the best dps and the best self mitigation, heavensward was a mess due DPS problems betwen tanks and i dont want to see that again.

if WAR need something is meaby utility and SE say alreay they are change shake it off, WAR dont need more dps

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