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    Quote Originally Posted by RemVye View Post
    Testing damage isn't the only reason...

    Practicing combo's on a stationary mob is easier than one that can move.

    Macros

    Attack range

    Ability Rotations

    A more consistent gauge for dps. (Mob level can vary in areas and you can't really solo Ifrit can you?)
    -Not to mention its hard to test DPS on mobs that die in 15 seconds.


    *You may not want this, but if you read the suggestion it would be to put it in an under used part of the Cities, so chance that you would "stumble" across it are low. You would have to go to the area they are housed.*
    you can that that all in a real fight too. And you will learn more then just hitting on a dummy.
    dont you want to explore your own skills and stregth through a real fight rather then hitting a dummy and see what kind of dmg you do.
    I also wonder if you will get any good results, because you have to count in so many factors when calculating dmg. lvl of mob, defense, vit and maybe even more. Mobs have diffrent stats so what stats would you give the dummy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saiph View Post
    you can that that all in a real fight too. And you will learn more then just hitting on a dummy. dont you want to explore your own skills and stregth through a real fight rather then hitting a dummy and see what kind of dmg you do. I also wonder if you will get any good results, because you have to count in so many factors when calculating dmg. lvl of mob, defense, vit and maybe even more. Mobs have diffrent stats so what stats would you give the dummy?
    The point is to get something of a baseline down in terms of a "vanilla" rotation. One makes adjustments on-the-fly or after the real fight is over but you need to start somewhere and every minute of writing basic macros or adjusting keybinds from extrapolated test dummy results is another minute you don't need to waste the of the group's time after you wipe on a boss. The group's 7 total minutes vs. you're 1 minute while you write a macro you could have done before going out is always going to be outweighed. The practical applications of a test dummy are useful, but they're not going to really break anything.

    Now, I do not like them personally. I can't quite describe the ill-feeling I get when thinking about them but it's more related to a player-mentality they foster rather than the practical benefits they bring for people to prepare for group content.
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    Last edited by Jashynvald; 01-19-2012 at 09:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jashynvald View Post
    Now, I do not like them personally. I can't quite describe the ill-feeling I get when thinking about them but it's more related to a player-mentality they foster rather than the practical benefits they bring for people to prepare for group content.
    You don't like fostering the mentality to be the best that you can possibly be?
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    o the same thing rift has in there towns. sure why not
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    No thanks if you want to practice combos there are plenty of mobs to do that on that you can not kill in 1 -2 hits. All you need to do is go do it solo some where with if at lvl cap the mobs are level 55. No pain no gain!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saiph View Post
    Do not want!
    If you want to test your dmg then go out of the city and start figting mobs.
    Why not???? is it that bad someone is trying to test on a dummy and that's going to effect you how???
    If you don't like it just don't use it, it's as simple as that.
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    Being able to practice your battle actions, combos, etc. on dummies would indeed be very useful!

    Let us know what you guys think about it and we'll pass it along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukkirii View Post
    Being able to practice your battle actions, combos, etc. on dummies would indeed be very useful!

    Let us know what you guys think about it and we'll pass it along.
    Yes please, especially if it offers damage output and accuracy type information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukkirii View Post
    Being able to practice your battle actions, combos, etc. on dummies would indeed be very useful!

    Let us know what you guys think about it and we'll pass it along.
    I think it would be useful to have dummies that are able to attack if needed with physical/elemental/magic/status attacks so that we we can test out defensive abilities and armor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukkirii View Post
    Being able to practice your battle actions, combos, etc. on dummies would indeed be very useful!

    Let us know what you guys think about it and we'll pass it along.
    I think the test dummy idea is too basic and short changed for what this COULD be.

    Instead of just a dummy, all arena fights should be scripted and botted by SE so players can "TEST" their role/strategy solo player, and obviously the battle will yield 0 rewards.

    Arena loads a winning situation thats scripted with 8 NPC players, the PC player replaces one of those NPC players with their class. (The script uses at least one of each class in the game).
    They can repeat the training unlimited times instantly. This might help some of the.....newbies join a party for a summon battle with experienced players and do exactly what they need :/. Or someone thats bored have something to do. arena dummy/combat training, think about it.

    If you could just "practice" absolute virtue 100 times in a winning situation with 0 rewards, how many times do you think a Linkshell would have won it for real? probably a lot more!

    To Simplify it, SE could make us, the players be the training dummys, instead of the above once a group wins, that is recorded by SE. The player can that re-participate in a recording of a group that won as a trainee with the group in the recording being "ghosts" repeating the actions. Say like the past 10 recorded wins a , recorded, then a player can replay those but "participate".
    Its like watching a video of the fight on youtube but being it to see if what they do will work.
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    Last edited by UnrealTai; 01-20-2012 at 01:09 AM.

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