DPS frustration

[ElroyDrundan]

Yeah, I can understand your opinion on that.


In general making a "fifth dps" worth of damage between two healers isn't something most people expect in normal content. In savage though...I mean it is the goal to at least try for, but I can attest it isn't easy to do and I wouldn't expect every healer duo to be able to do it even in savage. Sometimes you just have to just do whatever DPS you can contribute and try not to overdo it if you notice people get a bit too close to dying.


Also yeah Mya is wrong about 2.4-2.7 being "average" healer DPS. That is definitely above average, while top tier 3k+ is extremely above average.

Ya definitely exaggeration on healer numbers. It does vary some by class but I'm currently working on OSv3 in v1 and v2 as a whm mage 1.5-1.6k puts me above the 50th percentile on the first two fights, same dps on AST will put you a bit higher. 2.7k on the first two fights puts you above the 96th percentile for WHM, even higher for AST, and above 87th percentile for SCH. That being said, while at our level and gear I still have to pay a decent amount of attention to healing I can see doing several hundred better dps by more optimized play.(always casting, reducing overheals)

[missybee]

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I can't even imagine pulling those kinds of numbers (the 96th+ percentile ones) unless your co-healer has decided to more or less solo heal and you are free to DPS exclusively.

I tend to serve as the main healer in my static, and I struggle to get over 1.2k...

#GrayPercentile4Life

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

I can't even imagine pulling those kinds of numbers (the 96th+ percentile ones) unless your co-healer has decided to more or less solo heal and you are free to DPS exclusively.

That's basically what happens... the other healer is the true hero in those situations, because he's basically doing the job for 2 healers plus DPSing on his own and reaching nice numbers... And if you don't believe me, you're free to look at the logs on FFlogs, and if you find a healer doing more than 3k damage and more than 30% of the heals, we'll discuss it again...

[Miste]

Ya definitely exaggeration on healer numbers. It does vary some by class but I'm currently working on OSv3 in v1 and v2 as a whm mage 1.5-1.6k puts me above the 50th percentile on the first two fights, same dps on AST will put you a bit higher. 2.7k on the first two fights puts you above the 96th percentile for WHM, even higher for AST, and above 87th percentile for SCH. That being said, while at our level and gear I still have to pay a decent amount of attention to healing I can see doing several hundred better dps by more optimized play.(always casting, reducing overheals)

Yep. Exactly.

You also have to take into account not everyone uses fflogs so using only those uploads to say what is "average" for the majority of the player base isn't 100% correct.

And yeah which healer you are playing and which fight it is matters a lot on how much damage you can do. Maybe in O2S doing 2k+ is relatively normal (boss is more mechanic heavy than damage heavy even Alte Roite hits harder than Catastrophe), but in O3S or O4S it becomes much harder for an average player to handle doing over 2k.

I can't even imagine pulling those kinds of numbers (the 96th+ percentile ones) unless your co-healer has decided to more or less solo heal and you are free to DPS exclusively.

I tend to serve as the main healer in my static, and I struggle to get over 1.2k...

#GrayPercentile4Life

Yeah this also points out that you have to be aware of a lot of factors of why a healer is pushing that much DPS. Some healers will ask the group to let them full time DPS while the cohealer is the only one having to heal and then they also can use things like Dragon's Eye on the healer and have MCH/NIN with Hypercharge and Trick Attack and AST feeding single balance cards or in the cast of an AST boosting their own DPS purposefully minor arcana to get Lord of Crowns even if it was a card that could have helped setup an AoE boost.

[AkashiXI]

General rule of thumb is that any top 95% Damage Done (worldwide) are bloated numbers. Either they're being fed cards, have an insanely quick kill, or they're allowed to do basically nothing. That's usually what happens with healer numbers that are 3k+. There are anomalys, but definitely few and far between.

[era1Ne]

I can't even imagine pulling those kinds of numbers (the 96th+ percentile ones) unless your co-healer has decided to more or less solo heal and you are free to DPS exclusively.

I tend to serve as the main healer in my static, and I struggle to get over 1.2k...

#GrayPercentile4Life

If you see healers on that level, then the most important difference for their dmg is their mindest towards healing in this game. Having an main and off heal is not efficient and those numbers from both healers at the same time are only possible when you heal together and use instant heals most of the time. They plan an fight out and communicate during it sometimes. It also helps, if you have an good knowledge of all tanks and healers, since you can judge better what is possible for the other healer/tanks.

[MyaValentine]

alright I do admit that "average healer" was an overexageration. but, not entirely the point. while in fights healers can do 1.3-1.9 depending on how "average" you can do damage, 2.3 damage as a tank is still horrible and not something you should feel confortable with one should always aim to improve and most of the comments was directed to OP topic about tanks not BLM as he seemed that he wanted to give up because is harder to pull numbers and I won't encourage that type of behavior "just give up, it's just a game" OP just seem to belive tanking is easy because he thinks he's doing good but when looking at the numbers he's not nearly doing good enough to truly know how hard it's to do as good as dps number wise. BLM and his situation is the same, he thinks is harder hence he wants to give up but when it comes down is just another missconception becuase he's just not doing it right.

and yall are trying to climb too much on things that wasn't the point of the comment so get off the high horse everyone the point is to help OP either with empathetic feedback or constructive criticism.

for clarification: yes "average healer" was an overexageration, move on.

[Miste]

and yall are trying to climb too much on things that wasn't the point of the comment so get off the high horse everyone the point is to help OP either with empathetic feedback or constructive criticism.

for clarification: yes "average healer" was an overexageration, move on.

Uh...we were just having a discussion about it. There was no "high horse" or anything... we were just talking? You don't have to take offense to it as I am sure no one had the aim to be offensive. Just talking about stuff.

[MyaValentine]

Uh...we were just having a discussion about it. There was no "high horse" or anything... we were just talking? You don't have to take offense to it as I am sure no one had the aim to be offensive. Just talking about stuff.

reading it again you are right I don't know why the first time sounded more direct my bad, disregard my second remark.

[Miste]

reading it again you are right I don't know why the first time sounded more direct my bad, disregard my second remark.

No problem. Just wanted to clarify to you that I'm sure no one had any ill intentions towards you, I know I didn't, so don't worry.