Questions abour RDM rotations. (Aoe and single target)

[Snow_Princess]

First off I am confused why mana generation is so slow when one becomes bigger then the other, when that happens is there an effective way to get out of it? I have a hard time knowing what to do when I got 2 procs and the one type keeps procing so I keep using one (Because of duel cast) Do I just eat not having a duel cast when I keep getting lucky and swift cast the other element?

For Aoe rotations, do I just spam scatter? or do I scatter > element to try get to 30/30 faster and thus 40 ish -50 to use manafication for enchanted moulinet? It just feels odd I am just here to spam one button for AoE

[ErryK]

If you have too much of one element, ignore that element and focus on generating more of the lesser one until you resolve the imbalance.

3+ mobs, you spam scatter until 30 then En-moulinet, or 45 then Manafication to do 3 En-moulinets.

[Niraves]

Your Verfire and Verstone procs last for quite a while, so you don't have to keep spamming one element if you keep getting procs for it but not the other. Just switch back and forth from Black Magic to White Magic. Basically you want to keep your mana even as much as possible so you don't end up with an imbalanced mana bar.

And AoE is easy, its just like Erryk said. It felt weird to me at first too, but you get used to it.

Good luck, and have fun with Red Mage!

[Snow_Princess]

Your Verfire and Verstone procs last for quite a while, so you don't have to keep spamming one element if you keep getting procs for it but not the other. Just switch back and forth from Black Magic to White Magic. Basically you want to keep your mana even as much as possible so you don't end up with an imbalanced mana bar.

And AoE is easy, its just like Erryk said. It felt weird to me at first too, but you get used to it.

Good luck, and have fun with Red Mage!

You are not understanding what I meant. I was talking about when I have procs for both, so if I use the other, I have no duel cast/ proc for the other element.

[Cenerae]

If you have procs for both verfire and verstone, just verfire > verthunder or verstone > veraero. Alternating your white/black in each cast pairing is nice but you don't have to do that. You have to get pretty far ahead with one type of mana to get smacked with the generation penalty, so as long as you're not repeatedly doing the same exact combo over and over you shouldn't run into many problems there.

[Miste]

You are not understanding what I meant. I was talking about when I have procs for both, so if I use the other, I have no duel cast/ proc for the other element.

You don't need dualcast for Verfire or Verstone, if that is what you meant? Their cast time is normal and not extremely long like Veraero and Verthunder.

Basically consider a proc of Verfire and Verstone like you would Jolt, hard cast it and use the dualcast you get from it on Verthunder or Veraero. If you have both proc up at same time you can hard cast one and instant cast the second if you feel like it.

I am no RDM expert, I just know basic rotation and I do pretty good on it so idk if this is the best optimal but its a good start.

[Snow_Princess]

You don't need dualcast for Verfire or Verstone, if that is what you meant? Their cast time is normal and not extremely long like Veraero and Verthunder.
Basically consider a proc of Verfire and Verstone like you would Jolt, hard cast it and use the dualcast you get from it on Verthunder or Veraero. If you have both proc up at same time you can hard cast one and instant cast the second if you feel like it.

I am no RDM expert, I just know basic rotation and I do pretty good on it so idk if this is the best optimal but its a good start.

No.
Say I am doing a rotation, and I end up having both procs. I use one and keep needing to stick to that element because the other is proced already. If it gets too large, then I either, have to duel cast the other proc, so now I am suck with a proc with the higher element of what I can't use because its too high, or have no duel cast because I was forced to use it on the lower one. So i am confused on what to do in those situations unless people are telling me to eat the less optional situation.

[Cenerae]

No.
Say I am doing a rotation, and I end up having both procs. I use one and keep needing to stick to that element because the other is proced already. If it gets too large, then I either, have to duel cast the other proc, so now I am suck with a proc with the higher element of what I can't use because its too high, or have no duel cast because I was forced to use it on the lower one. So i am confused on what to do in those situations unless people are telling me to eat the less optional situation.

If say, you have a verfire ready but your black mana is too high, just jolt > veraero to catch it back up. You have 30 seconds to spend that verfire, so you can afford to do a few cycles of jolt > veraero to bring your white mana back in line.

[KeyboardFacerollname]

After hitting Verflare/Verholy you will be 20 up on the opposing magic, so your next thing should be the opposite Verfire/Verstone if you have a proc(Jolt if you dont) then pop Acceleration and then hit Verthunder/Veraero, then back to the Verfire/Verstone.


So lets say I'm at W80/B80. I do my melee combo(0/0) then cast Verflare(0/20). I would then cast Verstone if it's procced(9/20), otherwise Jolt(3/23), then Acceleration, then Veraero(20/20)/(14/23), then Verstone(as Acceleration causes Veraero to automatically proc Verstone)(29/20)/(23/23).

After that, its simply a matter of alternating back and forth. Jolt/Fire, Thunder, Jolt/Fire, Aero, Jolt/Stone, Thunder, Jolt/Fire, Aero, etc until you're at 40/40, then pop Manafication to boost you to 80/80+, melee combo, Flare/Holy(whichever has less, so if you were at 0/10 after the melee combo, you would cast Holy to be at 20/10).

Throw in Contre Sixte and Fleche on cooldown, as well as popping Acceleration on CD.

Also, also, even though you're a caster DPS. You want to be in melee range with the boss, as your auto attacks will add some extra damage.

[Mxhunter]

No.
Say I am doing a rotation, and I end up having both procs. I use one and keep needing to stick to that element because the other is proced already. If it gets too large, then I either, have to duel cast the other proc, so now I am suck with a proc with the higher element of what I can't use because its too high, or have no duel cast because I was forced to use it on the lower one. So i am confused on what to do in those situations unless people are telling me to eat the less optional situation.

so if say you have more than 30 of black magic and the verfire proc is up, you have a couple of options. You can either just use jolt and then dualcast veraero and then back to verfire, use impact if it is up and dual cast veraero, then back to verfire (verfire & verstone have a 20 second timer) or if you have it on your hot bar use quickcast + veraero then back to verfire. doing this will jump your white magic up so that when you use verfire you won't exceed the 30pt limit. If you have acceleration up then you should definity use that before casting veraero or verthunder as it will instantly proc verstone or verfire.

if both Verfire and Verstone are up and you are concerned with getting unbalanced then I suggest you use verfire>verthunder>verstone>vaero or similar combination this will keep you balanced and if verfire doesn't proc after verthunder use acceleration before you use veraero so you can then go back to verstone>verthunder rotation of switching between black and white mana. If nothing procs then if Impact is up use that then pick either veraero or verthunder. Below is a good little chart to help with the rotation as a whole:

http://i.imgur.com/rrGZKyG.png