Is the vote kick system improperly implemented for how it's actually being used?

[Mandudez]

Oh trust me, we reported the heck out of that. I don't mind if you want to be kicked to avoid a timer or something but douche moves like that are a pain.

Even worse is when you're kicked from a roulette and have to re-queue and do it all over again. The GM's hands should not be tied if it's a clear cut case such as yours and you shouldn't have to waste your time doing it all over again.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

My solution to prevent abusing of the vote system is to force players to write a short report explaining the reasons on which they decide to dismiss someone, said report should then be seen by all party members, including the one to be dismissed, after that the voting would take place and if the majority agrees one player should be dismissed!...

Another way would be to have the ability to invoke a GM inside the duty before the voting could take place so the authorities would decide what is fair and whom should be dismissed!...

What would a short message change? They still have the vote majority, thus you'll still be kicked. Allowing the person targeted by the dismissal to vote accomplishes nothing. You couldn't kick the tank since he won't vote against himself nor will the healer since they're friends. It's simply a reverse of the same problem you're complaining about. As for GM intervention. That requires having GMs constantly available on the off chance abuse happens. It's essentially paying someone to do very little most of the time since these types of incidents aren't common. Forcing people to play together when there is a clear disagreement just doesn't work. Even in the event a GM refused to allow them kicking you. Okay, great. Do you think the tank and healer are going to accommodate you? Now they're pissed and may intentionally perform even worse out of spite. And you can't claim abuse since GMs aren't able to moderate play style.

It sucks, however the best recourse to being kicked is simply shrugging it off.

[JunseiKei]

You know there's a language setting that prevents that from happening entirely!...

If set to a single language under Duty Finder, you shouldn't get a player from other region and such barriers could no longer be an excuse!...

You can click on this snippit to go directly to the patch notes and see for yourself.


Granted, that's still only leveling roulette, but it is still something to keep in mind.

[BigRed5392]

I don't see kick abuse much at all when I'm solo queueing dungeons. It's very rare.

So, if it's happening to someone enough that they're feeling like the system is set up to be exploited, I would suggest that they ask themselves if the system is really the one at fault. If you're getting kicked a lot, it's far less likely to be because of troll premades getting their jollies by harrassing people. What you might see as acceptable behaviour might not be seen the same way by others.

happens more often then you think, and isn't all that rare. They changed how often you can vote kick people because of it. I've seen people vote kick others "just because", or the person they kicked wasn't playing to what the kicker wanted even though the person being kicked was fine.

Sometimes a person will vote kick someone just to leave with out eating a 30 min. Not everyone who votes "yes" understands why, it's just a box on their screen.

[Cenerae]

happens more often then you think, and isn't all that rare. They changed how often you can vote kick people because of it. I've seen people vote kick others "just because", or the person they kicked wasn't playing to what the kicker wanted even though the person being kicked was fine.

Sometimes a person will vote kick someone just to leave with out eating a 30 min. Not everyone who votes "yes" understands why, it's just a box on their screen.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but personal experience (with over 1000 completed instances) says that abuse of votekicks happens less than 1% of the time. I've been troll kicked a total of twice since I've started playing, and seen maybe 5 abusive kicks on other people. Perhaps I'm lucky, or perhaps people this happens to on a more regular basis are actually doing things to invite it. For instance, if you're doggedly trying to enforce your own personal preference of playstyle on strangers that aren't ok with it, you invite a potential kick.

[XiXiQ]

Because they are the target of the vote. No democracy allows you to vote for or against yourself.

You're joking, right? ALL democracies allow you to vote for yourself. You've not seen the PMs and Presidents out casting their votes come election day? No-one is disenfranchised for being involved.

[Arutan]

What about needing 75% of yes instead of 50%, which mean in dungeon you need 100% of yes instead of 66%, and in 24man raid you won't get kicked out because 4 people wanted their pal in.

[Jijifli]

You're joking, right? ALL democracies allow you to vote for yourself. You've not seen the PMs and Presidents out casting their votes come election day? No-one is disenfranchised for being involved.

Technically you auto vote yourself into no.

[Chocolys]

I agree with the OP, the votekick system could use improvement.

The targeted player of a votekick should informed of the current vote, so he can defend himself or ask what is going on if there is no apparent reason for him to be kicked.

And the name of the player who initiates the votekick should be announced. Being anonymous only encourages abuse.

[XiXiQ]

Technically you auto vote yourself into no.

technically how?