When dps dont aoe should they just get kicked from the start?

[bswpayton]

Let me just say I never kick players, the only time I think I have started a vote dismiss is when a person came into a dungeon with no job stone. But its getting to the point now where Im just really getting burnt out on players that refuse to aoe. Like to me its one thing if you struggle with mechanics you die or get hit by an aoe or something like that on a boss.

Thats totally acceptable if that happens and we wipe in a dungeon. But the fact is when someone pulls 8 to 10 adds and someone is single targeting one of them they are over working the healer and tank and other dps. Im tired of having to say something each time I run into such player but its just becoming draining. I know its other threads about this up but its also tons of threads about healers not dps, or tanks not big pulling. To me as far as none raid or ex primal content. This is a much bigger issue than either of the above, people whom single target on big pulls are the worse people to get paired with in a dungeon.

And have certainly caused some of the issues with big pulls and healers in general. I use to think oh this healer must not be able to keep up nope its that monk tryin to do their whole rotation on one add and everyone else is overworking because of them. Im not talkin about taking one of the bigger adds down with more hp first , then aoeing. Im sayin just simply monks with a full tp bar the whole duration of a big pull.

Sams with a full tp bar, dragoons with a full tp bar, this is showing that you just simply are not even concerned about ur contribution to a run and its really these people that ruin the df. So my question is would it be better to just start kickin them and then maybe they will get a clue.

[Lan_Mantear]

So my question is would it be better to just start kickin them and then maybe they will get a clue.

A direct answer to your question above. No.

I understand that it can be draining, but that's the community we have. We either try to better it, or adapt to and ignore the aspects we don't like. Just arbitrarily kicking people because you don't like what they do, only feeds the problem.

[Serilda]

Personally I would just ask them, but I'm old fashioned like that. A lot of people level up solo or by playing very suboptimally because the game isn't very hard and even playing terribly works fine for 99% of dungeon situations. They might genuinely not know, or have forgotten about the useless AoE abilities they shoved on a secondary hotbar months ago. Or be traumatised by terrible tanks who lose AoE hate the moment someone throws out a Fire2.

If they're jerks about it, kick away.

The LB thing is annoying but not noticing it seems to be a weird debuff that affects the most appropriate LB user from time to time. I play in a group of friends and the same people always manage the LB yet I'm forever reminding them about it (and occasionally passive aggressively using it as healer just to demonstrate its existence) because of this strange selective blindness

[Xlantaa]

Yes. Also blacklist, report, and defenestrate him /sarcasm.

No. We need stop this obsession with kick everyone for stupid reasons if we don't want finish like toxic games like WoW or LoL. Kick is not the solution to all problems. That only makes you a jerk. I prefer adapt. If they don't want to AoE, then I just pull less and take it easy.

[bswpayton]

Personally I would just ask them, but I'm old fashioned like that. A lot of people level up solo or by playing very suboptimally because the game isn't very hard and even playing terribly works fine for 99% of dungeon situations. They might genuinely not know, or have forgotten about the useless AoE abilities they shoved on a secondary hotbar months ago. Or be traumatised by terrible tanks who lose AoE hate the moment someone throws out a Fire2.

I ask to as well, but it just gets old when players who are like level 60 or 70, like you have been playing four that many levels and havent noticed how much slower adds die because you are single targeting them. Im horrible at math but how could someone not know they are spreading more damage from using aoe as opposed to single targeting.

[Laerune]

If someone is not preforming well, tell them and give them advice on how to improve. If they do not want to improve, discuss with the rest of the group on what one should do next. We had this DPS who didnt do any AoE damage, we explained it to him, gave him tips in a respectfull manner, but this player was still not doing any AoE damage. Just like with the Ice Mages, you either carry them or kick them out. We kicked him out, got another player who knew what to do and we finished the rest of the run without any issues.

Sometimes one does not have any choice, but to kick.

[lulunami]

If you are doing high-end content like raids or trials, then you are justified with replacing under-performing members of your party. That is your prerogative.

However, for leveling content and simple dungeons, you can use that as a teaching opportunity. If they do not take your advice, so be it. Players are still learning how to play the game and should be given an opportunity to fail in order to learn. If they do not want to learn, well that is life. If your party really wants to replace that player, then that is their choice.

I do not agree with the culture of uncooperative, passive-aggressiveness that permeates the community at times.

[Ghastly]

Unless you queu with a fixed party you shouldn't expect anything than the minimal.

[bswpayton]

Yes. Also blacklist, report, and defenestrate him /sarcasm.

No. We need stop this obsession with kick everyone for stupid reasons if we don't

like Im one of those stay til the end if people are trying, like i know people can struggle with things in the game. But to me not using aoe on big pulls is just literally not even trying. Like monks have four different aoes and two tp regens, rockbreaker is a thing I just dont understand.

Like and it puts the blame on the wrong person Im sure many a tank has been pissed at a healer , when in reality its the dps not using any aoe and single targeting on adds. I dont want to be toxic , but I find myself getting more and more upset at this point in the game. Because we have had 70 levels to figure this out. The basic stuff, like buffs , aoe, cool downs should be something every player knows at that this point in the game its in the tool tips. This is simple stuff not optimal rotations, or which meteria gives u the best boast, just simply applying a skill shouldnt be this big of an issue.

[silverlunarfox]

Yes. Also blacklist, report, and defenestrate him /sarcasm.

No. We need stop this obsession with kick everyone for stupid reasons if we don't want finish like toxic games like WoW or LoL. Kick is not the solution to all problems. That only makes you a jerk. I prefer adapt. If they don't want to AoE, then I just pull less and take it easy.

Agreed.

The answer to most content would be NO. Raids you can make an argument for. Everything else. No. This whole different playstyle kicking is just getting out of hand. It helps no one and just creates more problems.