Tank skill gap, should SE do more? (damage taken issues/ hate issues)

[Snow_Princess]

I do realize people hate "dumbing down" suggestions and I know SE made small adjustments to make taking easier. However I still see lots of problems.

There should be NO REASON!!!! we get a wipe with me sitting there using all my lustrates/ dissipation (pact before dissipation use) and physick SPAM when I had nothing left. I had a tank, take more damage then me sitting there spamming my physick button, after all my other abilities used, he still managed to die. I explained this in party chat and was kicked after. So if I am going to be kicked abused because tanking is too hard, I really have to suggest making it easier.

At the very LEAST have tips IN GAME that gives tips how to space defensive CDS and the fact THEY NEED TO BE USED!!! not when one is low in HP or depending a healer to heal everything. Currently the average DF tank is too hard/ stressful to heal.

There is too much of a gap between good tanks and bad ones. With good tanks EoS does most of the healing, with bad tanks, they manage to die even with me using ALL MY TOOLS!

[Kacho_Nacho]

Snow Princess, staying alive is the responsibility of both parties. If a healer could carry a tank who didn't use any of their defensive cooldown, there be little reason for tanks to have defensive cooldowns in the first place.

The basic problem you are facing is that little thing called personality types. Some players read each spell and ask others for suggestions for when best to use them. While other players cannot be bothered to read the spell tooltips and blame other players for their failings.

S.E could put more tips in the game regarding tanking but those tips won't do much unless the can't be bothered tank players decide to be better tanks. That takes time and peer pressure.

Yes, the bad tank managed to get you kicked today; but, how many times do you think he's going to be able to blame the healer and get away with it? Soon, he'll be the one kicked and it will happen again and again.

Maybe then, maybe, that cannot be bothered tank will see the light and change into a tank who studies his cooldowns and cooldowns.

[Paiyne]

Or more likely just goes dps/always thinks it's the healers fault forever

[Jandor]

Just re-queue, you're a healer, not as if you'll have long to wait.

[Coatl]

Adlo spam is better than physics in situations where the shield absorbs damage and breaks before your next adlo. If the tank is bad just simply stop healing them and demand they kick you. There is no point in a dungeon where you as healer don't have control or say in what happens. If they kicked you just find another party, it's not a big deal.

[Valinis]

*Eye-roll* There are just as many bad tanks as there are bad everything else, healers included. Nothing like rotating all your CDs only for the healer to let you die on a single group pull. You are going to encounter players of diverse skill levels, that's life I'm afraid.

[Cabalabob]

This is another one of those 2 sides to every story posts. We aren't getting the full picture here, for all we know you blew everything right away on 90% overhealing then had nothing left. Or your "explanation" that it was the tanks fault could have been worded rather rudely which is why you were kicked.

That's not to say bad tanks don't exist, but a good healer can most definitely carry a bad tank, there's not really more of a skill gap there than on any other job. Bad dps, a pull will take too long, bad healer, the tank won't survive long enough, bad tank, the pull was probably larger than they were ready for. It's a group effort, everyone is contributing something and if that something is lacking, you're all going to die.

[silverlunarfox]

That's not to say bad tanks don't exist, but a good healer can most definitely carry a bad tank, there's not really more of a skill gap there than on any other job. Bad dps, a pull will take too long, bad healer, the tank won't survive long enough, bad tank, the pull was probably larger than they were ready for. It's a group effort, everyone is contributing something and if that something is lacking, you're all going to die.

I agree with your post. There is more than one factor in play in a group.

But I will say tanks lately have a habit of not using cooldowns and blaming the healer.....It hasn't happened to me personally but it has happened to a few healer friends of mine.

You can put all the tips you want into the game but if someone doesnt even want to read their own abilities the point is moot.

At the end of the day you're the healer, so if you get kicked, enjoy the fast requeue

[Cenerae]

But I will say tanks lately have a habit of not using cooldowns and blaming the healer.....It hasn't happened to me personally but it has happened to a few healer friends of mine.

I do see this a lot when healing. But at the same time, I also see healers not bother using their own cooldowns when I tank. I also see WHMs that never use regen or medica II, ASTs that sit in Nocturnal the entire time and only spam Benefic spells while rarely touching their cards, and SCHs that have their fairy on sic, meaning the fairy cds often go to waste.

I also see many DPS that don't use their cooldowns outside of boss fights (if they use them at all), as well as DPS that single target on AoE pulls. And some that aren't even doing their basic rotations properly (ie, DRG that never use heavy thrust, BLM that are using switching astral buffs like they're a level 4 THM, and not using transpose, fire III or blizzard III, and so on).

Bad play is all around, let's not go singling out roles for it

[miraidensetsu]

bad tank, the pull was probably larger than they were ready for.

Yesterday for me was a little worse. Got a bad tank and was getting aggro for every Regen tick or every Cure I or II dropped on the tank. And I never got any problem with getting aggro by just using Cure. I found myself using Holy just to buy time to try to keep the tank alive or even keep myself alive while running off monsters and finding a new reason to drop Lucid Dreaming: MP.