Why do tanks no use coold downs?

[ilea]

I've always liked the idea that as a tank, my health bar is out of my hands and in the healer's. This isn't to say it's not my responsibility to pop cooldowns, but that reacting purely to damage coming out is poor play. I have CDs I use depending on the packs I pull and how I expect damage to hit. It should be basic, expected play to use CDs for packs, bosses, and to plan these uses.

[Miste]

However, Final Sting is on Bee's that are in a dungeon where you either are a class (as in, Gladiator/Marauder)

Uh...Temple of Qarn is available at level 35, so there is no reason to be a class and not a job at level 35 since you obtain your job stone at level 30.

Also to be honest outside of savage "oh shi*" situations rarely happen and the fact that is it so rare makes it wasteful to hold on to abilities for an emergency that highly likely won't even happen. Not to mention using cooldowns actively helps prevent "oh shi*" situations reducing the likelihood even more.

Full wipes in normal content are really rare while in savage even just one person dying can and will cause a full wipe in certain situations so it is way more crucial that you save them. Even in Savage though depending on the difficulty like O4S for example...most healers have to follow a script of healing cooldowns in order to deal with the mechanics in an efficient way in order to keep everyone safely high HP, MP high, and in order to help with DPS to beat enrage.

So we usually cannot save things for emergencies we just have to pray it doesn't happen or adapt quick enough to make a save if it does. There are visual clues sometimes to help you see a problem is going to happen before it happens so you can react quicker with maybe timing a Cure II or something if Tetra or Bene is on cooldown and that can also be used for casual content as well.

Keeping track of what is on cooldown also helps you avoid relying on them when they aren't available. This is an efficient way to play because usually there is only one best way to contribute on your role so if Plan A is the most efficient best plan that allows you to contribute the most on your role then you follow that until you need to adapt then you can move to Plan B and structure yourself around that during the fight.

There is only so much you can do in the end so yeah you should try your best to play your job well to save an "oh shi*" situation if you can, but in general if you cannot the fault doesn't always lie with you anyway and saving your abilities might not have prevented it anyway. I mean as a WHM if people made multiple mistakes very close together and you used Bene, then Tetra, then Assize, then another person made another near fatal mistake as well soon after which could only be saved by an instant heal and you have none of those up. You just kinda go /shrug at that point, hope your co-healer can save them, and if not then be ready to scrape them off the floor instead.

[technole]

Warrior has Inner Beast and Thrill by Qarn, and Rampart is available for all roles. But if you notice DPS is crap by the time you get to the bees it's just best to drop tank stance and destroy the things, low blow, and/or pop Rampart if the cast bar goes off.

Low Blow is just another "live and learn" role action akin to healer Esuna, then again you also have DPS that probably still think Leg Sweep is okay to hit whenever causing stun immunity.

[Gravton]

Did there need to be another thread on this? Tanks don't use cool downs because they are lazy/new/trolling. That's it. Using an off-gcd does not affect dps. Good tanks use them no matter their stance. Bad ones don't. You got a bad tank, suck it up buttercup.

[Elamys]

Sadly I've had a tank actively refuse to use cooldowns. It was a DRK I got in Expert one time in Ala Mhigo. He wasn't fully geared yet (it syncs to i310 but he was wearing some i290 and i300 gear) and wanted to do double/triple pulls and he died multiple times because he used like nothing (except Living Dead, but he died anyway), he was taking so much damage I had to spam Benefic II without missing a single GCD until I ran out of MP so he died anyway.

I feel like I've had this exact same DRK because a few weeks ago I was healing Temple of the Fist with a DRK that used literally zero CDs. So actually somehow worse, i guess.

[Miste]

I feel like I've had this exact same DRK because a few weeks ago I was healing Temple of the Fist with a DRK that used literally zero CDs. So actually somehow worse, i guess.

Ah :/ well healer to healer I send thee a virtual hug for having to deal with those kinds of tanks as well.

Sadly tanks like this are rampant. Can't have been the same one unless he has a character on your data center as well.

[Deceptus]

Posting a tank centered thread in the healer forums is pretty counter productive. Healers don't know why tanks don't use CD's, only tanks do.

But hey, any excuse to bash tanks right?

[Kabooa]

Oh, so now it's unacceptable to bash jobs who we perceive aren't playing the way we think they should be?

[Gravton]

Was it ever really acceptable? Or is bullying no longer a stigma? I don't know, I don't watch the news anymore.

[Anienai]

Posting a tank centered thread in the healer forums is pretty counter productive. Healers don't know why tanks don't use CD's, only tanks do.

But hey, any excuse to bash tanks right?

I really like your glamour hat.