Good bye FFXIV tanking..... maybe.....

[Lynesse]

Whut? He uses living dead and then a few seconds before walking dead runs out ----> benediction and done.

That's one way of doing it, but he'd still need Asylum and Regen during the pull. All that does is change the order of things, it doesn't make them any simpler.

[Ilan]

That's one way of doing it, but he'd still need Asylum and Regen during the pull. All that does is change the order of things, it doesn't make them any simpler.

Well why don't you say directly that you want a tank where you don't have to do anything as healer?

Weird that my healer had never any issues when i was on drk during HW. All i've ever heard was "take what you want, they are all easy to heal"

[whiskeybravo]

Well why don't you say directly that you want a tank where you don't have to do anything as healer?

Weird that my healer had never any issues when i was on drk during HW. All i've ever heard was "take what you want, they are all easy to heal"

It's not HW anymore lol

I'm still getting used to using TBN on dungeon pulls, until you get TBN dark knight literally only has Shadow Wall as an all-purpose damage reduction cd. Rampart is good ofc but it doesn't really make up for how weak anticipation, awareness and convalescence are for damage reduction, nor how long of cd Shadow Wall has. Both the other tanks have more native cds in additional to role skills.

(for the record I do think awareness is a worthwhile cd, it's just impossible to tell how much it's actually reducing anytime you use it. For the most part it feels like you need to combine 2 of those cds to equal 1 normal reduction cd)

Shadow Wall really needs a 120 sec cd. It's kind of ridiculous that War has the same 30% DR which is 5 seconds longer AND returns 50 potency attack when hit, but DRK stuck with 180 sec cd.

[Ilan]

It's not HW anymore lol

I'm still getting used to using TBN on dungeon pulls, until you get TBN dark knight literally only has Shadow Wall as an all-purpose damage reduction cd. Rampart is good ofc but it doesn't really make up for how weak anticipation, awareness and convalescence are for damage reduction, nor how long of cd Shadow Wall has. Both the other tanks have more native cds in additional to role skills.

(for the record I do think awareness is a worthwhile cd, it's just impossible to tell how much it's actually reducing anytime you use it. For the most part it feels like you need to combine 2 of those cds to equal 1 normal reduction cd)

Shadow Wall really needs a 120 sec cd. It's kind of ridiculous that War has the same 30% DR which is 5 seconds longer AND returns 50 potency attack when hit, but DRK stuck with 180 sec cd.

And still DRK is not impossible to heal or way harder to heal than the other tanks. In leveling dungeons he feels squishy and that was always the case.

For the record: Awarness was ALWAYS a worthy cd.

[whiskeybravo]

For the record: Awarness was ALWAYS a worthy cd.

No, it was useless back in coil when bosses didn't crit AND it prevented you from receiving critical heals

I've always liked awareness, even when it wasn't popular I was just pointing out that it's hard to use it as a single cd and feel good about it, it's one of those cd's you'd usually just pair with something else. I tend to pair it with anticipation on drk (in dungeons), for example.

And no, they aren't impossible to heal. I managed to get to lv70 with very few problems. But it does feel a lot weaker than WAR and PLD for leveling. One could argue that DRK is gimped all the way to 70, given that both PLD and WAR receive new def cd's in their post 50 climb while DRK does not.

It does feel like it's missing something, but DRK's survivability is actually very impressive with TBN, Dark Arts, and Abyssal Drain.

I think they just need to fix Shadow Wall. It really needs to be 120 sec cd at most, and the duration pushed to 15 sec at min, preferably 20 sec in my opinion.

[Phoenicia]

I think they just need to fix Shadow Wall. It really needs to be 120 sec cd at most, and the duration pushed to 15 sec at min, preferably 20 sec in my opinion.

That or up its defensive value to 40% to match Sentinel. But even so, I think Sentinel's CD is too long and is unjustified too. Same with Bulwark. Specially when right next to it on the same hotbar (I have all my CDs on the same bar) is a 2 minute CD that gives 100% block chance AND reduce raid damage taken by 15%, FIFTEEN flipping percent (Passage of Arms). But I digress.

[MauvaisOeil]

That or up its defensive value to 40% to match Sentinel. But even so, I think Sentinel's CD is too long and is unjustified too. Same with Bulwark. Specially when right next to it on the same hotbar (I have all my CDs on the same bar) is a 2 minute CD that gives 100% block chance AND reduce raid damage taken by 15%, FIFTEEN flipping percent (Passage of Arms). But I digress.

The tradeoff here is the damage you won't deal during passage of arms. I don't think it's a bad designed CD overall, Bullwark is (random, long cooldown, pretty redundant with Shieldtron now).

[Ilan]

No, it was useless back in coil when bosses didn't crit AND it prevented you from receiving critical heals

I've always liked awareness, even when it wasn't popular I was just pointing out that it's hard to use it as a single cd and feel good about it, it's one of those cd's you'd usually just pair with something else. I tend to pair it with anticipation on drk (in dungeons), for example.

Awarness was always usefull in dungeons and also during the HW raids...and since we are not sticking with old ARR times it was ALWAYS worthy, at least for people who know what they are doing.

[whiskeybravo]

Awarness was always usefull in dungeons and also during the HW raids...and since we are not sticking with old ARR times it was ALWAYS worthy, at least for people who know what they are doing.

OK, let me revise that.. It was considered useless by a large portion of the (forum) community. I know because I was on here defending it, though I can't seem to find any posts prior to 2015, which is when that convo would've been relevant. I've always used on it on War and Pld. It definitely helps in some regard, more so now than ever probably, but it is still impossible to tell how much it's helping because there's no way to tell how many crits it prevented. Could've been a lot, could've been none at all.