Quote Originally Posted by Arrius View Post
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I think you missed the entire point of my post. Quite a few people in this thread alone have called AST's who use Expanded in 4 mans bad, which is why my explanation touched on that level of play as well as explaining why some people may use Expanded.

I guess I can go more into detail though...

"Why do some people use Expanded?"

Q: "Why do people use Expanded in 4 Mans!?"
A: If you've drawn a card and shuffled and it's all you have, using the buff is better than doing nothing. Contrary to popular belief, using any buff benefits the progression of the party more than going through 3 minutes/6 waves of enemies doing nothing, because you didn't get the card you "wanted".

Q: "Don't RR Ewer/Spire in 4 mans! Use Minor Arcana!"
A: Well, depending on the dungeon you may not even have the ability unlocked, but let's play devil's advocate and assume you do, there's still a possibility that you already have an Arcana Card stored. In this event, RR/Using the card it is still better than doing nothing if you've shuffled and it's all the RNG gods have given you.

Do I think Ewer & Spire are awful? Yes, but I still fall back on my original post.
I'd rather see someone RR Ewer & Spire and use ANY card than do absolutely nothing.