Increasing xp gained by dps classes in leveling dungeons

[Snow_Princess]

The idea is xp gain per time spent in queue. In that metric, it's not equal. In addition, I don't see the harm argument being very convincing. If someone likes playing tank or healer, they aren't likely to switch justbecause DPS are compensated for time spent in queue. If that were true we'd also see people playing tank/healer just to get the "role in need" xp/gil bonus, which I don't think you can say has really happened with a straight face.

You missed my point completely.

Then how do you propose to make things fair? Because the suggestion presented in this thread does more harm then good and I only seen one comment on that fact. Basically by giving DPS extra exp gain, you are just encouraging more people to level dps, to make the deficit worse.

Also DPS do have equal gain for tanks and healers, its called make a friend, just one, only requires one person, and level with them, like me and my friend do, switching off who does DPS and who does tank/healer

try again? Also my question went unanswered, you did not reply to me with anything of value.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

This is demonstrably false. I reiterate, people do not base your main decisions on EXP distribution. Someone inclined to play tanks isn't going to abruptly change to a DPS because of an EXP bonus.

I play all jobs, I am sure a lot do, and those like me would level DPS more because of the bonus, making the discrepancy worse. Saying no one is your false assumption. It is also a strawman to what I was saying (only addressing my "weakest point" and twisting it just a bit and "defeating it", while ignoring everything else.

Healing is stressful when you meet a bad tank, and you find plenty in the DF. I do not like playing healer with bad tank most of all, then comes tank with bad DPS, along with healer in such a situation esp when they don't AoE/RNG LB a megapull. it is frustrating, I rather play DPS and make fast runs happen more often.

[Zfz]

Tank and healers have fast queue and Cluster.
Dps could get a little +10% xp.

It's absolutely fair.

Faster queue is just a result of having less people in the queue, not something given to a specific role. The Cluster is not given to tanks and healers because of their roles, but given to the role with a shortage in supply.

Hence, to be aboslutely fair, that +10% EXP needs to be given to the role with the longest queue, meaning that when there's a shortage of DPS, then the DPS gets the fast queue and the Cluster, while the tank or the healer, whichever has more people queueing, gets the +10% EXP.

Now that is fair.

Whether it would actually help with the long queues, is another matter altogether.

[Coratanni]

Several people in here clearly haven't taken economic classes...

Supply and Demand. You cannot trump this basic rule in life.

[Snow_Princess]

Faster queue is just a result of having less people in the queue, not something given to a specific role. The Cluster is not given to tanks and healers because of their roles, but given to the role with a shortage in supply.

Hence, to be aboslutely fair, that +10% EXP needs to be given to the role with the longest queue, meaning that when there's a shortage of DPS, then the DPS gets the fast queue and the Cluster, while the tank or the healer, whichever has more people queueing, gets the +10% EXP.

Now that is fair.

Whether it would actually help with the long queues, is another matter altogether.

not really, the bonuses are worthless, so i would be really salty someone getting a bonus who can sit around and do nothing while i have to work more ( I say work because most people make healing stressful)
is 1k gil worth anything to you? a cluster is worth less then that to me right now. (hoping 4.1 changes that and allows me sell off my 60 odd clusters)

[Arrius]

The "higher level of preparedness and skill" isn't at all necessary for dungeons. Furthermore if more people are enticed to play tank or healer through a carrot and find they actually like the role, then that's even better.

There's no shortage of tanks and healers.
They just don't deal with the crap the dungeon duties give because people perform terribly and hence fall back to friends and fc members they can rely on.

And no amount of carrot will change their mind about it.

[Seoulstar]

I still think if more DPS players actually roll healers or tanks it wouldn't be terrible. Do you remember during that period in HW where DPS queues were almost instant because so many were leveling DRK and AST?

[Arrius]

I still think if more DPS players actually roll healers or tanks it wouldn't be terrible. Do you remember during that period in HW where DPS queues were almost instant because so many were leveling DRK and AST?

And do you remember how it looked like after roughly 3 months?
Oh - Tanks and healers are the AIN again in all roulette duties.

Who would've thought.

[Coratanni]

There's no shortage of tanks and healers.
They just don't deal with the crap the dungeon duties give because people perform terribly and hence fall back to friends and fc members they can rely on.

And no amount of carrot will change their mind about it.

I leveled all 3 healers first, and am halfway finished leveling the tank classes to 70. Once all classes are leveled, I'll go back to doing everything on my whm. I've also never had an issue pugging anything. Infact, 90% of the time I am solo queueing.

But I've been doing my part. Maybe dps should take a chance at playing another role for a change rather than whine and expect the game to cater to their selfish needs?

[Arrius]

I leveled all 3 healers first, and am halfway finished leveling the tank classes to 70. Once all classes are leveled, I'll go back to doing everything on my whm. I've also never had an issue pugging anything. Infact, 90% of the time I am solo queueing.

But I've been doing my part. Maybe dps should take a chance at playing another role for a change rather than whine and expect the game to cater to their selfish needs?

I doubt there will be much of a change regarding this, given SE's Census from 2015 and 2016 confirm that adding new tanks and healer only are a drop on a hot stone when it comes to role popularity.

[Seoulstar]

I doubt there will be much of a change regarding this, given SE's Census from 2015 and 2016 confirm that adding new tanks and healer only are a drop on a hot stone when it comes to role popularity.

Well do you really expect people to stay the role that gets ridiculed and insulted most of the time? I mean look at the healers that don't dps threads and you'll see why the number of healers are down. Then you have that not enjoying big pulls threads and you have some there telling if you don't want to do big pulls, then don't bother being a tank. lol