Magic

[SuzakuCMX]

Nope.

Reason 1: Action bars are already a pain
Reason 2: The lack of spells leaves a lot of room for more classes and jobs in the future
Reason 3: Having to spend what little income I make from grinding leves and the sparse mainline quests just to ensure I can actually play my class seems dumb. What was worse in FFXI was that you had to get your spells from a random drop/AH. It makes starting as a mage on a new char a pain in the ass.
Reason 4: Classes can function fine without 40 spells each
Reason 5: There's no reason to have 40 spells when you only need about 8-10 to function as a mage (2-3 elemental damage, 2-3 debuffs, heal, raise, MP regain)

EDIT: But maybe 3-4 more spells for each battle class. That'd be kool. Kinda sad that CNJ only has 2 (?) elements and THM only has 3. Also no DoTs to cast if I remember correctly, it's just a chance effect on some of the elemental spells.

[UmJammerSully]

Personally, I really feel like the mages could just use some more variety in their spells. ESPECIALLY Thaumaturge which has become dangerously boring and narrow-focused post-patch.

I agree that having too many useless spells is just pointless but it's really pretty easy to think of 4-5 that are a mysterious absent from THM. Drain HP/MP, Poison and Silence seem like some obvious choices.

"Thaumaturge is fine how it is." is not wrong in the sense that it can do it's job well, which is dealing damage, but more importantly is it fun to play? In my opinion, no it's not.

Someone is going to argue that THM will be getting new skills when BLM arrives next month, but let's look at the BLM skills:

- Burst
- Flare
- Freeze
- Sleepga
- Convert

WTF? Just more elemental spells and an AoE sleep? All of which we had before 1.20 anyway. Convert is definitely a plus at least, but it looks like BLM will still be lacking variety. All the other jobs seem to be getting far more interesting and unique abilities in my opinion.

[Griss]

"Thaumaturge is fine how it is." is not wrong in the sense that it can do it's job well, which is dealing damage, but more importantly is it fun to play? In my opinion, no it's not.

I respectfully disagree with this opinion.
They took thm from a middling hodgepodge of debuffs of varying ineffectiveness and forged it into a pure magical murder machine. The Blm spells/skill will serve to further the mayhem. The Debuffs that actually mater to play style of the MMM were nested beautifully into the additional effects of spells.

[darkstarpoet1]

I respectfully disagree with this opinion.
They took thm from a middling hodgepodge of debuffs of varying ineffectiveness and forged it into a pure magical murder machine. The Blm spells/skill will serve to further the mayhem. The Debuffs that actually mater to play style of the MMM were nested beautifully into the additional effects of spells.

yes, they turned it into a magical burst machine that spends alot of time standing around doing absolutely nothing in longer fights. that is what makes it boring. it doesn't matter if they added more of the original dot's and lowered damage and mp costs some as long as you are not just standing and doing nothing. that is quite boring and not fun to play.

let me figure out this complex combo.....fire........fire.......fire

[AdvancedWind]

yes, they turned it into a magical burst machine that spends alot of time standing around doing absolutely nothing in longer fights. that is what makes it boring. it doesn't matter if they added more of the original dot's and lowered damage and mp costs some as long as you are not just standing and doing nothing. that is quite boring and not fun to play.

let me figure out this complex combo.....fire........fire.......fire

Stone, Thunder, Excruciate, Thundara, Dark Seal, Parsimony, Necrogenesis if needing, Thundaga. Blizzard, Cure, Thunder, Thundara, Thunder, Fire, wait just a lil bit for MP, Thunder, Thundara...oh ****, my HATE is high, gotta stop a while (...)

[darkstarpoet1]

Stone, Thunder, Excruciate, Thundara, Dark Seal, Parsimony, Necrogenesis if needing, Thundaga. Blizzard, Cure, Thunder, Thundara, Thunder, Fire, wait just a lil bit for MP, Thunder, Thundara...oh ****, my HATE is high, gotta stop a while (...)

if you are using all 3 against the same mob you are absolute fail. for example you only have 3 elements total. only 2 of them can be used against ifrit and do any damage. go against the moogles and you will see against certain ones that base fire does more damage than thundaga does capping off a combo.

[AdvancedWind]

if you are using all 3 against the same mob you are absolute fail. for example you only have 3 elements total only 2 of them can be used against ifrit and do any damage.

Stone and Aero are cross class, bro. 5 elements. Ifrit is weak to Wind, "neutral" to Thunder and Earth. Also,
that was jut an example of what's possible to do and still get reasonably good, constant damage without waiting all the time. Of course elemental resistances also come into play, it's as easy as focusing more on the better spells for said battle. Now, if someone wants to spam Thundaga / Firaga combos without even using Parsimony then complain, be my guest.

nope i haven't played thm since 1.18 for more than a few fights because i think it is boring and not fun at all anymore. i am primarily a main healer now, but no matter how "good" of a thm we get it is always wait for mp because they are out. then sometimes it takes forever for their mp to start to regen no matter how long they stand still.

Wait wait wait. You just admitted you barely played thaumaturge for the last few MONTHS and still somehow believe your input about Thaumaturge MP management is valid and well informed?

[Rokien]

Stone, Thunder, Excruciate, Thundara, Dark Seal, Parsimony, Necrogenesis if needing, Thundaga. Blizzard, Cure, Thunder, Thundara, Thunder, Fire, wait just a lil bit for MP, Thunder, Thundara...oh ****, my HATE is high, gotta stop a while (...)

You are crazy, all I have to do is thunder and thundara mobs go down, no need for the other spells at all! Oh but on that one occasion do you need it ala IFRIT/MOOGLE. Soo you guys saying that ever other spell BEFORE were usless, well, bad argument is bad. The reason why they were useless, I'll say it again, mobs die WAY FAST, as in FFXI you had time to use those spells to help with the battle.