Undercutting by 1 gil?

[LalaRu]

... who put stuff on MB for LESS THAN A VENDOR WOULD HAVE PAID THEM!

I may add, people that put on market the crafting items you buy from NPC at 1 Gil or alike.

[Darker_Midnight]

If I sell in bulk, I probably want those items gone and I will undercut by 1 gil. If I'm selling tiny stacks of highly valuable items, I'm banking on selling in the right city with a competitive (but not asinine 1 gil undercut) pricing.

Now, I'd rather be undercut by 1 gil than have people undercut by 500-1000 gil or, and I don't know what these people are thinking, 10,000 or more gil.

Mostly I avoid major price wars by simply having retainers spread out across cities and selling for those particular markets.

[TheCount]

I mean....seriously? Is there a more annoying thing to do? It doesn't save the buyer any money, it's just some guy going "Give me your gil instead of this other guy". I've been seeing this trend all over the place lately. Does this even work? Seriously, people, you see this? Pick the next seller up on the list just to spite them.

Really? You're upset over THAT? Undercutting by 1 gil is what you're supposed to do and what any that sells stuff on the market SHOULDNT get upset over, or would you rather see people constantly undercutting by 1k or more and completely crash the market in no time at all? I'd rather someone undercut me by 1 gil than undercut me with 1k every time, there are people that do that and I hate those because it takes forever to repair that damage to the prices/you investing to bring the prices back up.

[Lazaruz]

Really? You're upset over THAT? Undercutting by 1 gil is what you're supposed to do and what any that sells stuff on the market SHOULDNT get upset over, or would you rather see people constantly undercutting by 1k or more and completely crash the market in no time at all? I'd rather someone undercut me by 1 gil than undercut me with 1k every time, there are people that do that and I hate those because it takes forever to repair that damage to the prices/you investing to bring the prices back up.

On the flip side, I actually hate the people who only undercut by 1 gil, because it's a lazy and blatant attempt to get "first" on the MB listing, without having to actually pay the price of such a "advantage". It's also why I will admit I get a weird kind of schadenfreude by once I come across someone like that, I deliberately attempt to crash the price, since as a high level crafter and gatherer, most of the stuff I make explicitly for selling have rather wide profit margins, and I dont care enough about the marketboard economy to try and maintain something that the next 10 people could move in, and immediately "damage" (in your own words). Better to just sell what I have, and move on with my day so I can enjoy the rest of the game.

If you really want that top spot, as far as I'm concerned, you should be prepared to loose far more money then just 1 gil.

[Rhus]

I dunno. It's good banter. I was selling an item where there was only 1 other seller. We went back and forward undercutting by 1 gil. I went back to starting price, they followed suit. It was a good game of cat and mouse. We both sold our item though so no harm.

Like the person above me though I did once crash the market on an item when someone came in at like 75% my selling fee. (example I was selling for 40K and they came in at like 10k) so I reduced mine to 4k which was less than you could buy NPC. They beat me on it as I knew they would, I bought it myself saving me money as it was less than NPC cost and stuck mine back to 40K and stuck the other one I just bought on at 40K lol 36k* profit on it when I sold both.

I didn't feel bad about it lol

*fees shown is example

[Alleo]

Yes it does, it saves the buyer 1 gil.

A bit of nitpicking: It depends if they truly saved themselves 1 gil. I often buy something that is more expensive simply because I dont have to pay that much taxes thus even if something costs more on paper it will be cheaper under certain circumstances.

[Mikki]

What Rhus did is smart... I always love to look for items of value that people post for less than vendor value. I find some items it happens more than with others; easy profit. But purposely crashing the market because you're angry someone dares try to get a quick sale without losing profits is just a bit... wow. This is how the market boards work. If you want to make money, you need to get fast sales with good profit. We only get 40 sale slots (or more if you're willing to shell out more real world cash for overpriced retainers). Undercutting is just part of the game and undercutting by 1 gil is what keeps the market healthy.

I get it though. A lot of people don't care about the "health of the mb". But jeez, you are some spiteful people. :I

[Lazaruz]

But purposely crashing the market because you're angry someone dares try to get a quick sale without losing profits is just a bit... wow.

It's not outof anger, it's outof spite.

While sure, I'd love to strike gold and get gil towards, oh lets say a house, I currently have more then enough to get by, and thusly I honestly cannot say I care about the "health of the MB" when I know for a fact it's already fickle enough to crash within minutes dependant on what players decide to list X item. If I have something to sell, and MB is viable to maybe actually give me enough of a profit for me to care, I want it gone and as soon as possible, or the next time I look, that 1 mil, might be 200k, simply due to 1 guy undercutting me by 1, then someone else undercuts them by 1k, and so on, and so on.

If people stay in the game, despite the drasticly decreasing price, I'll gladly admit that it's a extremely petty trait of mine, but I do enjoy knowing that while I may (key word may, since MBPVP) have denied myself outof, shall we say 400k gil, I've also done the same, if not more, to someone who might actually truly care that it happened (As I said, I get by, so for me it's just a "oh well. Better luck next time")

[Mikki]

I have no lack of gil myself - I've enough for a large house and a medium if I really wanted it, so honestly it isn't a huge deal to me if I lose out on profits and I would imagine for most people who are serious about the market boards, this is also the case (for me it's just fun to set and try to meet a quota of 1 million gil per day in sales). And I can tell you that if you would like to "strike gold" and get enough for a house, you need to undercut by 1 gil and care at least a little about the market's health. Sure, you can't control other idiots on the board and the markets can be easily crashed but you can at least help by not contributing to it. I'm sure a lot of the crashes that happen are from spiteful people.

But you know, I will undercut by 1 gil. If someone tanks the market, I'll just hold onto the item until the prices go back up (unless it literally takes little effort to get/make that item and I actually don't mind losing the profit). I haven't been denied my profit, just had it put off a bit. No big deal, I'll just list something else. Or, if you've tanked it a ridiculous amount then I'll just do what Rhus said and buy it and resell it getting double the profit with no effort. ....Would you still feel satisfied knowing that you may in some cases double someone's profit with no effort?

Anyway, I guess there isn't much to say if you admit you're just being spiteful and you don't actually care about how healthy the mb is. :I

[Lazaruz]

I have no lack of gil myself - I've enough for a large house and a medium if I really wanted it, so honestly it isn't a huge deal to me if I lose out on profits and I would imagine for most people who are serious about the market boards, this is also the case (for me it's just fun to set and try to meet a quota of 1 million gil per day in sales). And I can tell you that if you would like to "strike gold" and get enough for a house, you need to undercut by 1 gil and care at least a little about the market's health. Sure, you can't control other idiots on the board and the markets can be easily crashed but you can at least help by not contributing to it. I'm sure a lot of the crashes that happen are from spiteful people.


But you know, I will undercut by 1 gil. If someone tanks the market, I'll just hold onto the item until the prices go back up (unless it literally takes little effort to get/make that item and I actually don't mind losing the profit). I haven't been denied my profit, just had it put off a bit. No big deal, I'll just list something else. Or, if you've tanked it a ridiculous amount then I'll just do what Rhus said and buy it and resell it getting double the profit with no effort. ....Would you still feel satisfied knowing that you may in some cases double someone's profit with no effort?

Anyway, I guess there isn't much to say if you admit you're just being spiteful and you don't actually care about how healthy the mb is. :I

Oh believe me, I figured it out a long time ago that if I wanted to properly get somewhere in terms of playing the marketboard for profit, I'd have to devote significantly more time and effort, aswell as changing my pattern on undercutting, so you're very much so preaching to the choir in that regard. For a multitude of reasons however, doing my item listing "properly" is not a option for me, and it's not something I consider necessary either, as I have enough gil to get by in regards to what I spend it on, and dont gather enjoyment outof what, in my head, would be percieved as pure hoarding for the sake of hoarding.

And by all means, I have no doubt that a good number of people I've been competing with on the MB once I got spiteful and just started slowly dropping the price, just withdrew their items and waited for the price to go back up. It is however why in hindsight, it's incorrect of me to focus on garnering enjoyment outof "denying profit", because a more proper wording would be denying or delaying said profit. And I know for a fact some people have bought me out, and then opted to relist both items at the initial price. While in effect yes I did give them "double the profit", dependant on the item, lord knows how long it could take for them to sell both items, especially when, if I'm feeling particularly spitefull and see a competitor buying me out (to then relist at original price) on a item I can craft withouth too much effort, I'll make another, and start the process over again.

But when push comes to shove. No, it's absolutely no skin off my back if someone I'm competing with, buys me out, and then relists and sells the item at the "original" price, because at the end of the day I managed my goal. My item got sold, and for more then it would've if I sold it to a NPC



But you're absolutely right, there's not much else to say in this regard. I'm a spitefull prick, and fundamentaly, I cannot find it in me to truly care about maintaining MB prices, since I know for a fact there's far more people then me who feel the same