Multiple job jump potions for 4.1?

**ilea** · 09-17-2017 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by Gravton

Does it really matter?

I think the counterpoint to this is that while you levelled without going through dungeons, you were still participating and learning from content. You still had to know what your skills did, to some degree. Jump potions for new players, on the other hand, could be said to be having an effect on the community -- a lot of us are ending up in level 60+ instances with players who don't know how to stack, don't know what their tank stance is, etc. I think the onus is on SE to make sure players are prepared and actually learn their jobs, but I don't think it's about wanting power over other players.

I wouldn't mind jump potions, but it is frustrating to go into content with underprepared players.

**Arutan** · 09-17-2017 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by Malzian

They said they'd look at the data and consider it. They have not said anything beyond that aside from that the amount of potions used was lower than expected.

Lower or not, it's not like removing a line of code that is probably a "if bought == 1 then f. off" would be hard.

**Gravton** · 09-17-2017 03:00 AM

That's all video games though. It's not on s/e to teach players anything. It's on the players. The community teaches new players, if they are messing up, then tell them. This is the most new player friendly game on the market and this still a complaint? Have you played EvE? Did you play FFXI? When you first start those games it's literally "Welcome to the game. Have fun!" and that's it. Leveling outside of dungeons doesn't teach you about dungeons. This is simply "I had to grind, so you have to too."

**Mikki** · 09-17-2017 06:39 AM

I would personally love this for alt characters, so I'd be happy just having one potion per character. Or, perhaps you can use it however many times you want provided you have at least one character on your service account with the desired job leveled to 60 already? Just some thoughts....

Although I also wouldn't care if they just allowed us to use it however much we're willing to pay for with no restrictions. As others have said, people who want to play well will put in the effort and those who don't....won't. But that being said, I still think having a little bit of restriction may be good since handing this out as an option may actually attract lazy players to begin with. I personally have a friend who didn't want to play until she heard that she could just buy a story and job skip potion....

**Dark-Saviour** · 09-17-2017 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by K1tt

Honestly id wager it will definitely happen. They have a £18 product that costs absolutely nothing to make, any business will be eager to profit from that.

This. Since gamers have become so bloody eager to throw money at studios these days, I can't see them opting to decline it. :-/

**Arutan** · 09-17-2017 07:20 AM

Digital item is probably the best way to make money. Create it once, sell it as much as you want. They could make garbage item that cost nothing to product and it'll still bring them an incredible amount of money.

**Bourne_Endeavor** · 09-17-2017 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by Krotoan

There are admittedly downsides to having pots available without restriction. RMT spammers in Kugane. Bot gil farmers at 60. These I think are the current reason SE doesn't want to open the floodgates. These are valid enough reasons to keep it to one pot per account and I'll accept them.

Actually, this is a common myth. RMTs will never purchase anything. The whole point is for them to make money without having to spend it. Spending $50 on a single character means they need to sell multiple gil packages just to break even. The chances they accomplish that before the whole account gets banned isn't high. That's why Balmung and Gilgamesh saw no RMT spam when you could still transfer to either. Just the $18 charge proved too much.

Originally Posted by Mikki

Although I also wouldn't care if they just allowed us to use it however much we're willing to pay for with no restrictions. As others have said, people who want to play well will put in the effort and those who don't....won't. But that being said, I still think having a little bit of restriction may be good since handing this out as an option may actually attract lazy players to begin with. I personally have a friend who didn't want to play until she heard that she could just buy a story and job skip potion....

To be fair, A Realm Reborn can be... daunting. You have numerous high and low points due to the overabundance of fetch and filler quests, a very slow progression system and far too many quests in general. I can't entirely blame someone for getting burnt out or not event wanting to slug through it all. Now I did enjoy ARR myself, but there were points where... it tested my patience. (Looking at you Company of Heroes).

**Krotoan** · 09-17-2017 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Actually, this is a common myth. RMTs will never purchase anything. The whole point is for them to make money without having to spend it. Spending $50 on a single character means they need to sell multiple gil packages just to break even. The chances they accomplish that before the whole account gets bad isn't high. That's why Balmung and Gilgamesh saw no RMT spam when you could still transfer to either. Just the $18 charge proved too much.

Interesting, I figured they must be willing to spend some money since you can't trade with a Free Trial , and if you just want to farm the latest and greatest amounts of gil I'd have thought current mats and drops would be the best way. Glad I don't think like a gil farmer/spammer then..

All the more reason to not have limits on boost pots. =]

**Mikki** · 09-17-2017 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

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I'll admit, ARR can certainly be tedious. I bought the story/skip potion on my new character simply because I've done the story so many times in the past (1 - 15 multiple times on beta, and ARR in its entirety 3 times) and didn't want to do it again. And I get that some people aren't interested in the story but it really feels a shame that you would play this game and not take the time to enjoy it since it has the best story of any MMO I've ever played. And although ARR's story was the least interesting of the 3 arcs so far imo, it sets up the basis for the entire game so it's pretty important. Skipping HW is just a sin imo. The story was amazing.

Originally Posted by Krotoan

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I assume they get around trading by having one account which isn't a free trial put up overpriced items on the MB and having the trial accounts which are farming gil buy them. But I don't honestly know.

**Stormfur** · 09-20-2017 01:24 AM

I'd hope that the way they'd ideally implement multiple potions in a way that would please everyone would be to allow it for multiple characters IF you already have one character of that ROLE to 60.

So if I have astrologian to 60, I could buy a healer jump potion and get white mage at 60. I know there are some differences in the playstyle, but at least the user understands their ROLE (at least, one would hope!) so it's not like it's just plopping them down in the middle of content with no idea what they're supposed to do.

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