What is a 'bad player'?

[AdvancedWind]

1.) I fibbed a little, I wasn't technically naked - I had Ifrit's Bow and paragon helm.
2.) Everyone else was wearing their standard gear (i was getting b*tched @ for being nude)
3.) The only real difference I noticed was I was getting hit by the moogle for slightly higher numbers... like 650 instead of 500... not really that big of a difference.

Then here's your explaination:

Most of the damage comes from the weapon. You shouldn't really notice a major drop in stat because you're lost 10~20DEX / PIE from taking your armor off. If the damage you received went from 500 to 650, that's a 30% increase against a regular attack, not exactly small. I bet that a on a stronger move (like Moogle Eye Shot), the difference was much higher. Not to mention the most dangerous moves in the fight are Pom Flare and Memento Moogle, two magical moves that ignore defense anyways.

You really shouldn't have that much higher DPS difference simply because, at best, you had to be healed more often (something that does not affect the actual damage you do) and lost a bit DPS from armor materia - again, far less relevant to your damage than your weapon.

Do it again with a weaker bow and arrows and you will see a major DPS drop.

Removing your defense gear in a battle where you can avoid most damage and the dangerous moves ignores defense anyways wouldn't really have a major effect on your DPS.

Also: What Chard said

[Xoo]

I think we've sort of got off topic. Oh wait, that happened like 5 pages ago. Attempting re-direction, Captain!:

In FFXIV, gear doesn't make your epeen any bigger, just your skill which you picked up from YouTube in the last 10min, so stop being mean to the newbies!

[RemVye]

Then you would know numbers fluctuates alot because of this scenarios. Numbers are not consistent enough to justifies stats arent working as intended with moogle parses.

I parse all the time and the numbers are pretty consistent. I know what you're saying though... it's a dynamic fight. I'm just saying that stats place a small role in overall performance based on what I've observed. I used the moogle fight as an example, but I saw the same thing against Ifrit (pre 1.20). I had the worst gear out of anyone in all the parties I played with and still topped parse.

I guess my main point is that stats (other than weapon) have a small effect in game. I would think 30 dex and 15 pie, +40~ crit attack, +40 attack power would make some noticeable difference, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

[RemVye]

Then here's your explaination:

Most of the damage comes from the weapon. You shouldn't really notice a major drop in stat because you're lost 10~20DEX / PIE from taking your armor off. If the damage you received went from 500 to 650, that's a 30% increase against a regualr attack, not exactly small. I bet that a on a stronger move (like Moogle Eye Shot), the difference was much higher. Not to mention the most dangerous moves in the fight are Pom Flare and Memento Moogle, two magical moves that ignores defense anyways.

You really shouldn't have that much higher DPS difference simply because, at best, you had to be healed more often (somethng that does not affect the actual damage you do) and lost a bit DPS from armor materia - again, far less relevant to your damage than your weapon.

Do it again with a weaker bow and arrows and you will see a major DPS drop.

Removing your defense gear in a battle where you can avoid most damage and the dangerous moves ignores defense anyways wouldn't really have a major effect on your DPS.

Also: What Chard said

I don't disagree with you about the bow and arrow argument, no doubt if I used a level 1 bow and warped arrows my damage would be lowered. My argument is about the stats (like Dex, Pie, Str, Mnd, Vit..) because the 1.20 patch notes stated they directly affected damage. They even gave us that nice little chart.

If I increased a stat by 20~30, should I not see a difference in damage? Going from memory I think I have 238~ish DEX on my arc, so 20~30 dex is 10% more or less increase.

Anyway... I'm not trying to argue but again (to me at least) stats make very little difference in overall performance.

[Volsung]

Gear hardly matters at all. Skill > Gear in all cases.

I can top damage parse with nothing more than bow and paragon helm in moogle fight.

That was kinda my point... but thanks.

[Xianghua]

Parse tells you who is more aggressive and who isn't. Other words you can be naked and still do more damage then a fulled gear person. If you are more aggressive. You don't compare your damage to others and expect to see results. Different play styles and different approach. If you really want to test it. Do the fight naked then do the fight fully geared with materia attached. and check your damage difference not the others.

On Xi even though sam was far better DD then rng. Mine could out parse most because of my aggressive play style. Did that make ranger a better DD? of course not.

[AdvancedWind]

I don't disagree with you about the bow and arrow argument, no doubt if I used a level 1 bow and warped arrows my damage would be lowered. My argument is about the stats (like Dex, Pie, Str, Mnd, Vit..) because the 1.20 patch notes stated they directly affected damage. They even gave us that nice little chart.

If I increased a stat by 20~30, should I not see a difference in damage? Going from memory I think I have 238~ish DEX on my arc, so 20~30 dex is 10% more or less increase.

Anyway... I'm not trying to argue but again (to me at least) stats make very little difference in overall performance.

They do affect, and it's somewhat noticeable. Sure, it might've been not as much due to enemy defense and other factors, and I'm not saying everything is perfect, but as Chard mentioned, your gear isn't the only factor that needs to be accounted for on the moogle battle.

Heck, you could've actually been doing less damage per hit, and due to that, having less hate problems allowing you to attack more often than normally. You could've been on a lucky critical streak row. Someone else might've been a bit sloppy, indirectly "increasing" your DPS count. We could stay here all day listing these sittuations. As chard said, parser numbers from moogle fight aren't exactly a good indicator of stat effectiveness; try parsing it out on strong, regular monsters and have a large enough sample: I can assure you there will be some difference that sure, could really need to be tweaked, but is there.

As for the overall performance, in a game where you can move freely to avoid damage, manage hate, crowd control, use positional combos, elemental weaknesses, deal with possible fight gimmicks and several other factors, stats should play an important role, but "skill" and knowledge of the mechanics involved on the game should be comparable to em, if not even more important.

[RemVye]

Parse tells you who is more aggressive and who isn't. Other words you can be naked and still do more damage then a fulled gear person. If you are more aggressive. You don't compare your damage to others and expect to see results. Different play styles and different approach. If you really want to test it. Do the fight naked then do the fight fully geared with materia attached. and check your damage difference not the others.

On Xi even though sam was far better DD then rng. Mine could out parse most because of my aggressive play style. Did that make ranger a better DD? of course not.

I did do that. I'm not talking about out dps'ing people with no gear... I'm talking about maintaining equal dps against my self with gear and without gear.

Not sure if you didn't read everything or misinterpreted. Starting at page 11.

[D3aTh]

There's also 2 things to consider if you wanna see your dmg vs other players.

1. Some DDs sux ^^ (I know some who can fail their combo even in arc.. :/)
2. Some DD control their hate. They slow down DPS so they don't get 5 mobs flashing red on them.

So if your pt got DD style #2 and if your are really agressive and you don't control your dmgs, yeah you can be top DPS. But i'm sure if you put a naked ARC vs a double-melded ARC in the same conditions and with the same agressivity, the DD with good gears will do muuuch more than +1k dmg on a 20 min fight.

[Kuroyume_Black]

Mamba if you ever feel sad in that server..come to selbina..me and my friends will help you out as much as possible.

I hate ppl that bash others for no reason...if you are going to insult someone at least do it politely... I feel for you u.u

Hope you recovered and kick moogles and ifrits butt forever!

Nevah Mamba is ours... besides I was thinking of making a soup out of her *suspicious look*