What is a 'bad player'?

[KamikazeMan]

A bad player is a player who has gotten to level 50 via PL and mindless fights from 40+. There are a few bad players in a few of my linkshells....you can tell they were practically PLed all the way to 50 when they are at level 50 or even level 40 and say "please forgive me, i'm new to this lol".

Why is this bad? Because they have no idea how to play the game. They don't know how to properly use combos, how to preserve MP, when to attack, when to hold back, or how to take care of themselves and not completely rely on Conjurers for bufffs and healing. I considered people like this bad players and would rather not party with them. If they can't take the time to play the game and learn to play with their class because they're lazy, I won't waste my time with them.

Btw, I find nothing wrong with PLing, but at least try to get to 50 with one or two of your classes the proper way so you can learn the basics.

[ninesunz]

lulz you 2 need to get a private room

[Xoo]

Yeah, cause you need to use 15 abilities before you WS as a DD. So good! I'm happy you put up foresight before you use a ws, like you wanted to tank. I thoroughly enjoyed your excuses for killing mages. The popcorn-ability of it was perfectness embodied.

A thread with a bad player (from lack of playing because of RL schedule) being lectured from a bad player who is just bad with posts of encouragement from another bad player, is by far the best thread ever.

P.S. I have never fought either of those monsters with you. You left from paranoid delusions before then. Anyway, I was too busy trio/duoing Dodore, so what strategy did you give me there exactly?. Incapping Haughtpox does nothing. Uh, everyone already knew to get horns from a goat, you have to incap the head. Why are you attempting to take credit for something you had nothing to do with? That group never would have killed Dodore without me, Ham, Maya, and Beeps. umad?

Baddies will be bad.

Are you on crack? I still have videos of us doing them!

Haughtpox You're #3 in party list.
Mosshorn Also #3 in the list.

Bee, Maya, and Ham are all there as well. It happened, much more than once. Get off the hard stuff.

[Zeref]

The old LS i was in the leader was one of those people, acting like he was the only reason anyone could win a primal fight, than the LS made a party, he came as a healer, and got promptly killed ten seconds into the fight, only thing you can really do is distance yourself from people like that, Elitists are fine if they are actually elites, retarded elitist wannabes are something entirely different and just kill EVERYONE's experience.

Edit:
To add, I don't mind playing with bad players, Hell I'm far from being better than average, I've played with people that didn't know you could avoid hedgemogle's eruption by stepping back or Aldgoat's ram by stepping to the side, and they refused to avoid it even after being told, I'd still party with them again because they were all cool people, the only people I have a problem with are those that are absolutely damn full of themselves to the point where they bring down other people in the party, like Tanks yelling DDs not to DD because they're incapable of holding/pulling hate, or Healers yelling at tanks for getting damaged faster than they can regain mana but they don't use any mana recovery skills, etc....

tl;dr it's not how you play, it's what attitude you bring to the mix.

[Rubicon]

A bad player is someone who doesn't know their class' role in a party. If you are a THM that knows how to play well in a party and you know your role in that specific battle, then you are OK. No one has to "carry" a player who knows their role and how to perform optimally in a specific situation.

That being said, if SE cannot balance a class or job's role in a party for certain battles then we have a problem. Either better balancing must take place (I am waiting for 1.21 to pass judgement, jobs will probably help this kind of behavior) OR SE needs to come out and say, "Look, the point of having the ability to be all jobs is that you need to level all jobs because some jobs just won't work for the battles we are creating." AKA "Level a ARC."

[Demacia]

Definition of bad player = majority of FFXIV players in general who only know how to stack a couple classes to win fights.

Also OP, don't say you want to quit just because you met up with some douche ingame. Man up and learn to deal with those people like you would have to in real life, at an arcade, or any other online game.

But yeah, players who are ignorant to how the game works past a certain point, are constantly unprepared for fights, don't know how to work together to control aggro, break crowd control, and hold their group back = Bad players

Players who are elitist in the sense that they're all "I will only accept ARC x4 blah blah" when other classes are perfectly viable = Bad players who can't think for themselves.

I understand the need for some players to be special snowflakes and try their own thing, but just make sure it works first. Don't be the MNK/SMN from FFXI.

[Zezlar]

Definition of bad player = majority of FFXIV players in general who only know how to stack a couple classes to win fights.

Also OP, don't say you want to quit just because you met up with some douche ingame. Man up and learn to deal with those people like you would have to in real life, at an arcade, or any other online game.

But yeah, players who are ignorant to how the game works past a certain point, are constantly unprepared for fights, don't know how to work together to control aggro, break crowd control, and hold their group back = Bad players

Players who are elitist in the sense that they're all "I will only accept ARC x4 blah blah" when other classes are perfectly viable = Bad players who can't think for themselves.

I understand the need for some players to be special snowflakes and try their own thing, but just make sure it works first. Don't be the MNK/SMN from FFXI.

I run Moogle a lot with my Linkshell, and on a few occassions we invited someone from a different LS to come. They would badger the hell out of me about how I like to play LNC at everything. Told him to kiss me between the cheeks or take a hike. They got Mog weps for their effort, so I guess my LNC isn't too bad. xD

[darkstarpoet1]

mamba. to me there is a major difference between what you described yourself and a bad player. i primarily play only with my ls for events, but i do pick up parties every now and then. you sound like the type of person i would want in my pickup party to be honest. i look for certain types of things when i join 1.

1. i want someone that has at least experienced a fight.
2. someone that is willing to accept that they can improve and take feedback to get better.
3. someone that's willing to fail to get better.
4. willing to try different tactics and methods to increase results.
5. not a prick that thinks they know everything about everything.

i guess what i am saying is that i would take you into the battle in a pick up party any day of the week over the person that joined thinking they are gods gift. when it comes to these fights the first priority is to get a good strategy and get everyone on the same page. even once you all get on the same page it takes a bit of working with each other to get wins. you sound like the type that's willing to try other things.

just forget that other person and continue playing the game. it sounds like you are already on the right track to becoming a good player. once you continue getting better chances are you will see that guy later on and once you are good enough you can always boot him for being the bad player compared to you and your group :P.

best advice i can give is keep learning and trying to improve. just ignore the bad people like that.

[neizero]

To answer the question in the subject

My definition of "bad player": Someone who is not willing to learn, does not care about "the right way" to play their class, and when offered friendly advice they will ignore it in the best of cases, or more commonly get offended/reply in bad terms.


With that in mind...

So I sent him a tell asking (politely) why he thinks my THM sucks and instead of actually giving me any kind of constructive criticism he started bashing me how people like me disgust him, how he hates “carrying” people through fights etc. etc.

Based on the above quote, I don't think you're a bad player. Are you a good player? I don't know either, but your attitude seems the right one to me. Had this guy not been a jerk and actually given you some helpful pointers, would you have been able to pull them off and improve your performance? If the answer is yes, then you have potential to be good at this game.

MMOs don't require mad skills to perform at a good level. Awereness, class/encounter knowledge and above all willingness to learn and improve at every attempt is what it takes to be "good"!

Playing casually doesn't necesarily make you a bad player, just the same as there are many 24/7 players who are hopeless and will always be leeches ><

[Ruri]

*Eats popcorn and waits for more nerd drama.