What is a 'bad player'?

[Mamba]

So, like the title says… what in your opinion makes a bad player?

Here’s my story:
I am a really casual player – only during the Christmas holidays got my 2nd job to 50 even though I have been playing on and off since Alpha testing!!! – so you could say that I am not a big time gamer and I admit that I probably can’t do as well as some other people who play their jobs on a daily basis. I am not stupid though, I listen when people teach me and I try to live up for the expectations.

During the Christmas break I was doing Moogle battle and me and my friend were trying to figure out different tactics to do this fight… neither of us had ever done this before and we didn’t read at first how other’s had done it so we would make our own experience.
We got many likeminded people to join us and we lost the fight at least 20 times (we had fun though!!)

Then we had a person join us who came on the run with the attitude that he was a gift from gods to us that we would never do the run without him. Well, we lost on few occasions again and then we gave up for the day.

On the weekend, I was doing Ifrit fight to see if I could get a weapon since last time I didn’t get anything and this same guy joined our run. My friend who was making the party told me that he wasn’t going to join the run if I went as THM which got me really baffled (At the time I only had THM @ 50). I know I wasn’t doing great damage on Moogle fight because of MP issues but I did burn down the first moogle in no time (being highest DPS until well… the MP issues started). I also helped binding the moogles after 2h and stunned as well… so I wanted to know why in his opinion I was doing so bad.

I sent him a tell asking (politely) why he thinks my THM sucks and instead of actually giving me any kind of constructive criticism he started bashing me how people like me disgust him, how he hates “carrying” people through fights etc. etc. He got really rude and in the end I left the party in the verge of tears because I had no idea what I had done to make him hate me so much (Yes I am a girl, I cry easy, sue me!)

I didn’t play almost at all the following day (yesterday) and was considering quitting since I didn’t want to come across people like him ever again. I thought that I was such a lost cause, a really bad player that no one would ever want to do any fights with me.
Then I had a chat with my linkshell people (which are all really lovely) and they encouraged me to stay and only do runs with them from now on, (which I will because maybe they can actually teach me play right if I indeed do so badly).

I think… the guy who was a jerk is the WORST kind of player a game can have (not me, even though I can suck on some occasions). A narrow-minded elitist brick who only sees one direction from his high chair and considers anyone lesser (i.e. a person who doesn’t play 24/7, have full double material on all gear etc.) is not worth his time (except for insults).

[Xoo]

A bad player is one who tips the balance between either an inability to learn the mechanics of gameplay and to apply them efficiently, and/or one you just described.

[Zetsumei_Tsunarashi]

I understand your frustration.

I'm sure you'll get some lengthy replies, but I'll just keep this simple.

Bottom line is, a group is not made by a single player. It takes the coordination of the entire group doing well in order to win things like moogle fight.

The fact that you were losing is an indication that your group was performly poorly. Perhaps you were contributing to this, perhaps you were the best player in the group. It doesn't matter though unless everyone knows what they are doing and are doing it correctly.

[vax]

You pretty much said what is a bad player. That dude, he's a bad player. People that doesn't know they are playing a game and it's all about getting fun.

Yes, everyone loves to win but, when you stop playing a game, you don't remember those runs that you won, you only remember the fun, how you or another member make the pt wipe by a mistake, etc.

[Lumidus]

That's funny he said thm sucks for Ifrit. It's one of the best and most fun classes to play for ifrit. And Yes thats a bad player. Don't worry though, Players like that tend to give themselves a bad name and it spreads around the server.

[MeowyWowie]

You just met an elitist prick, that's all. Don't let people like that get to you.

What surprises me is why someone with that attitude is doing Ifrit and Moogle with pick up groups. Usually "good" players as he makes himself out to be stick to their linkshell for endgame activities. May be possible that he's just a douche and that keeps him from joining a good LS? /shrug

Anyways, don't let him get to you, or anyone like that for that matter. You're bound to meet more people like this in the future. Just ignore them and have fun

[Chezen]

In my opinion, a bad player is just as the one you described. Most players will do the best they can, and it's all I ever ask for in a group. Like anything worthwhile, learning to play a class well can take time (some more time than others), and learning to work together from group to group can take more time than that.

I approach new battles the same as you. I want it to be a puzzle to figure out. I don't like to look it up online and have it figured out for me. If someone is rude to me like that, I just wouldn't group with him anymore.

Don't let him get you down.

[Athaya]

Don't get discouraged. Use the blacklist function frequently! There are plenty of really good players i'm sure that will be willing to give you some some constructive criticism if it is even needed. As long as you want to learn your job well you will be fine.

[ninesunz]

I've met some ppl like this, and i've notice they're the ones that have no clue on what they're doing. They're just covering it up by flaming someone. If they don't have any constructive criticism for you they're just trying to make themselves feel better.

I would say don't stop doing PUGs because of this person, because you can get to know great ppl with PUGs. If you ever come across another putz just blist or ignore ^^

[Betelgeuzah]

A bad player is someone who thinks his unique butterfly method of doing things the certain way is equal to using the method the community expects of you while giving no objective argument as to how in reality his method Does work as well or better.

A worse player is someone who does not respect the community's expectations yet thinks they should respect his playstyle.

The worst player is someone who thinks a better way of doing things doesn't exist, and regardless of how well it is proven to work keeps clinging on to whatever the community thinks is right.