What is a 'bad player'?

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

Can't expect everyone to be a constructive person, so the one way to deal with ass(es) is to take their flaming douchebaggery as a motivation to be better than them.




I'm sorry but i have to disagree, Do you remember you are playing with the other 7 people? does taking at your own pace means you have to keep sucking when you can clearly improves better but choose not to? You taking at your own pace is a hindrance for another 7 people you play with.

You know what happened when you are a hindrance? nobody invites you to stuff and then you will ends up whining that this game doesn't have anyone to do stuff with.

This isn't offline game and shouldn't be treated as one, you are playing with another person, and you should take that into your consideration. Feel free to find the people that have the same way of playing as you, but you have no right to whines when you can't find the exact same people that approves the way you take this game.

It's all rights to disagree. Tis' only my opinion on the subject matter.

Even in MMO land, I don't expect anyone to be this veteran that knows how to tank, crowd control, or heal. Or to know most of the terminology. To delve through guides and forums on how to play their class(es), watch a video of an encounter using classes they don't play, or to even keep abreast with patch notes, dev responses, and translations. I do have my expectations of a player, these aren't them.

People that want to win, fast, efficiently, be first, and optimize will find like-minded individuals and stick with 'em. People that take it at their own pace, will similarly find folks in these situations.

Someone who is willing to grow, to adapt, they're trying to get better. They may not pull out all the stops to be the best, but they're giving it an effort to improve.

If seven people used to winning decide to recruit a straggler and lose, they have the option of bringing the straggler up to speed so that they can all win, like true sports. Or they can be poor sports and terminate the straggler after a failed run or two. In the latter case, this sounds like one type of elitist that the OP is talking about.

It's one thing to take the game seriously some of the time, put your game face on, do what it takes to win (videos, guides, leveling up classes to be like the videos to avoid reinventing success), and succeed (thus proceeding to use a subligar like a towel and slap that fabulous roegadyn in the locker room, whoo hoo!!!). Taking the game seriously all the time, that would hinder even my fun. Like riding a chocobo with a small limp beak. Although the size of their beak shouldn't affect their performance as a chocobo, I sometimes question it.

[KamikazeMan]

A bad player is a player who has gotten to level 50 via PL and mindless fights from 40+. There are a few bad players in a few of my linkshells....you can tell they were practically PLed all the way to 50 when they are at level 50 or even level 40 and say "please forgive me, i'm new to this lol".

Why is this bad? Because they have no idea how to play the game. They don't know how to properly use combos, how to preserve MP, when to attack, when to hold back, or how to take care of themselves and not completely rely on Conjurers for bufffs and healing. I considered people like this bad players and would rather not party with them. If they can't take the time to play the game and learn to play with their class because they're lazy, I won't waste my time with them.

Btw, I find nothing wrong with PLing, but at least try to get to 50 with one or two of your classes the proper way so you can learn the basics.

[ninesunz]

lulz you 2 need to get a private room

[Zeref]

The old LS i was in the leader was one of those people, acting like he was the only reason anyone could win a primal fight, than the LS made a party, he came as a healer, and got promptly killed ten seconds into the fight, only thing you can really do is distance yourself from people like that, Elitists are fine if they are actually elites, retarded elitist wannabes are something entirely different and just kill EVERYONE's experience.

Edit:
To add, I don't mind playing with bad players, Hell I'm far from being better than average, I've played with people that didn't know you could avoid hedgemogle's eruption by stepping back or Aldgoat's ram by stepping to the side, and they refused to avoid it even after being told, I'd still party with them again because they were all cool people, the only people I have a problem with are those that are absolutely damn full of themselves to the point where they bring down other people in the party, like Tanks yelling DDs not to DD because they're incapable of holding/pulling hate, or Healers yelling at tanks for getting damaged faster than they can regain mana but they don't use any mana recovery skills, etc....

tl;dr it's not how you play, it's what attitude you bring to the mix.

[Rubicon]

A bad player is someone who doesn't know their class' role in a party. If you are a THM that knows how to play well in a party and you know your role in that specific battle, then you are OK. No one has to "carry" a player who knows their role and how to perform optimally in a specific situation.

That being said, if SE cannot balance a class or job's role in a party for certain battles then we have a problem. Either better balancing must take place (I am waiting for 1.21 to pass judgement, jobs will probably help this kind of behavior) OR SE needs to come out and say, "Look, the point of having the ability to be all jobs is that you need to level all jobs because some jobs just won't work for the battles we are creating." AKA "Level a ARC."

[Demacia]

Definition of bad player = majority of FFXIV players in general who only know how to stack a couple classes to win fights.

Also OP, don't say you want to quit just because you met up with some douche ingame. Man up and learn to deal with those people like you would have to in real life, at an arcade, or any other online game.

But yeah, players who are ignorant to how the game works past a certain point, are constantly unprepared for fights, don't know how to work together to control aggro, break crowd control, and hold their group back = Bad players

Players who are elitist in the sense that they're all "I will only accept ARC x4 blah blah" when other classes are perfectly viable = Bad players who can't think for themselves.

I understand the need for some players to be special snowflakes and try their own thing, but just make sure it works first. Don't be the MNK/SMN from FFXI.

[Zezlar]

Definition of bad player = majority of FFXIV players in general who only know how to stack a couple classes to win fights.

Also OP, don't say you want to quit just because you met up with some douche ingame. Man up and learn to deal with those people like you would have to in real life, at an arcade, or any other online game.

But yeah, players who are ignorant to how the game works past a certain point, are constantly unprepared for fights, don't know how to work together to control aggro, break crowd control, and hold their group back = Bad players

Players who are elitist in the sense that they're all "I will only accept ARC x4 blah blah" when other classes are perfectly viable = Bad players who can't think for themselves.

I understand the need for some players to be special snowflakes and try their own thing, but just make sure it works first. Don't be the MNK/SMN from FFXI.

I run Moogle a lot with my Linkshell, and on a few occassions we invited someone from a different LS to come. They would badger the hell out of me about how I like to play LNC at everything. Told him to kiss me between the cheeks or take a hike. They got Mog weps for their effort, so I guess my LNC isn't too bad. xD

[Xianghua]

Definition of bad player = majority of FFXIV players in general who only know how to stack a couple classes to win fights.

Also OP, don't say you want to quit just because you met up with some douche ingame. Man up and learn to deal with those people like you would have to in real life, at an arcade, or any other online game.

But yeah, players who are ignorant to how the game works past a certain point, are constantly unprepared for fights, don't know how to work together to control aggro, break crowd control, and hold their group back = Bad players

Players who are elitist in the sense that they're all "I will only accept ARC x4 blah blah" when other classes are perfectly viable = Bad players who can't think for themselves.

I understand the need for some players to be special snowflakes and try their own thing, but just make sure it works first. Don't be the MNK/SMN from FFXI.

Wrong.

People know that other classes work but choose not to use them because it is much more efficient not to. Its rather idiotic to call people bad players for doing things the more efficient way. If you are going to do random events with people who you are unsure about skill level. Its just more efficient to use a set up that's easy and works then just grab random classes of people who probably never done the fight or never won.

[Demacia]

Wrong.

People know that other classes work but choose not to use them because it is much more efficient not to. Its rather idiotic to call people bad players for doing things the more efficient way. If you are going to do random events with people who you are unsure about skill level. Its just more efficient to use a set up that's easy and works then just grab random classes of people who probably never done the fight or never won.

I could understand if you only wanted a class that dominantly excels at a specific role, but outside of THM DD (CON and GLA don't really have equals in their specific departments) I don't really think that exists in this game. All the melee DD classes are equally viable in this specific case, it's not a matter of efficiency. It's efficient in the sense that you follow the path that requires the least amount of creativity and skill, so people just "stick to wut works" and shut out players because they don't know any better.

[syntaxlies]

I could understand if you only wanted a class that dominantly excels at a specific role, but outside of THM DD (CON and GLA don't really have equals in their specific departments) I don't really think that exists in this game. All the melee DD classes are equally viable in this specific case, it's not a matter of efficiency. It's efficient in the sense that you follow the path that requires the least amount of creativity and skill, so people just "stick to wut works" and shut out players because they don't know any better.

is it just me or did you define a bad player as someone who gets several classes to 50 then uses the cross class ability allowed to customize thier class as a bad player.

What makes someone a bad player is their inability to learn, adapt, retain information and use it in battle. Has nothing to do if they want to put second wind on their lancer bar to get some extra hp sometimes.