What is a 'bad player'?

[Chezen]

In my opinion, a bad player is just as the one you described. Most players will do the best they can, and it's all I ever ask for in a group. Like anything worthwhile, learning to play a class well can take time (some more time than others), and learning to work together from group to group can take more time than that.

I approach new battles the same as you. I want it to be a puzzle to figure out. I don't like to look it up online and have it figured out for me. If someone is rude to me like that, I just wouldn't group with him anymore.

Don't let him get you down.

[SniperRifle]

Bad players blame others, good players blame themselves, and better themselves from it.

The italics part is key to being a good player.

[Athaya]

Don't get discouraged. Use the blacklist function frequently! There are plenty of really good players i'm sure that will be willing to give you some some constructive criticism if it is even needed. As long as you want to learn your job well you will be fine.

[ninesunz]

I've met some ppl like this, and i've notice they're the ones that have no clue on what they're doing. They're just covering it up by flaming someone. If they don't have any constructive criticism for you they're just trying to make themselves feel better.

I would say don't stop doing PUGs because of this person, because you can get to know great ppl with PUGs. If you ever come across another putz just blist or ignore ^^

[Betelgeuzah]

A bad player is someone who thinks his unique butterfly method of doing things the certain way is equal to using the method the community expects of you while giving no objective argument as to how in reality his method Does work as well or better.

A worse player is someone who does not respect the community's expectations yet thinks they should respect his playstyle.

The worst player is someone who thinks a better way of doing things doesn't exist, and regardless of how well it is proven to work keeps clinging on to whatever the community thinks is right.

[trinta]

That guy is an unfortunate part of any gaming community. I have to assume they have nothing in their life that they can control except video games, so the only way they can feel good about themselves is to act like that.

Try not to let it get you down, and make it a policy not to run with people like that. If someone joins the group that you're uncomfortable with, kick them if you're in a position to, and leave if you're not. It's your gaming time, you decide who you spend it with.

[Giant]

"Bad Player" ==> SE

SE is the 'bad player' here
They made it hard and will make it harder later on

SE definition of 'challenge' is to make the fight win'able by a group of people who are very skilled and their re-action score is 0.2 or less

Other game developers define the 'challenge' by simple word 'tactic' find it and it is easy win

To be honest, I don't blame a party that kick someone or ignore him and never invite him... this party want the win > friendly

if you want to blame, it is SE to make is like this ^-^/

oh, the hardcore who want it this way so only THEM win /Enrage

Hey, no offense ^-^

[AdvancedWind]

@topic:

I would only consider someone a "bad player" if he not only did not know basic game mechanics, but also did not try to learn them or improve himself, and ignores any good criticism, opnion or tip someone shares with him. Someone who's genuinely trying to learn and know how to make good use of other player's hints'n tips is a good player in a my book, as far as "skill" goes.

Using Ifrit battle as an example, I'm not talking about the guy who might be wanting to try out a "bad" setup, or that dies at every eruption because he's having a hard time evading it. I'm talking about the guy that keeps using Firaga and ignoring when someone points out he's doing nothing but heal the beast.

"Bad Player" ==> SE

SE is the 'bad player' here
They made it hard and will make it harder later on

SE definition of 'challenge' is to make the fight win'able by a group of people who are very skilled and their re-action score is 0.2 or less

Other game developers define the 'challenge' by simple word 'tactic' find it and it is easy win

To be honest, I don't blame a party that kick someone or ignore him and never invite him... this party want the win > friendly

if you want to blame, it is SE to make is like this ^-^/

oh, the hardcore who want it this way so only THEM win /Enrage

Hey, no offense ^-^

No offense but, once figured, all of the current endgame fights are relatively simple and can be easily done even with random people you never met, provided they know what they are doing. Yes, the battles are not exactly "easy" and require a major initial effort to discover their quirks (Plume zones, ghost moves, moogle kill order, etc), devise good tactics around those quirks and perfect em, but after you do that it's a matter knowing basic game mechanics. Unless you want to be server first, they're hardly "hardcore only".

[Soukyuu]

"Bad Player" ==> SE

Oh so SE is now making people into elitist pricks? lol