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    Transient_Shadow's Avatar
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    Flutter Butter
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    Malboro
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    Scholar Lv 90

    Recommended materia for sch?

    Besides Savage Aim I was wondering what people would recommend melding to my gear. I know heavens eye doesn't apply to healing so I was wondering if determination got any buffs or is it still worthless for healing?
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    Kira Thrinaria
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    Scholar Lv 70
    You should look at the complete set instead of asking for what melds you need, because this depends on your pieces of gear and your goal.

    For scholar i'd recommend getting as much crit as you can and then go with det imo. You could also use direct hit to gain a bit more dmg compared to det, but imo this is especially in prog not worth it and the stats are pretty even at the start of this expansion anyway. This will change in the future however, because crit for example gets better and better per point the more you have and some other stats have dimishing returns. Additionally you should get as much piety as you need for your group, the fights and depending on your skill. This is very important and during progress you better be save than sorry. You can and should ofc reduce your piety as you and your group get better at the fights in savage. Also get VI Vit melds if you want to do prog, especially for v4s (if you don't have at least 36k hp as healer/caster already).
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    Last edited by era1Ne; 09-15-2017 at 02:37 PM.

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    Auroro Noire
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    Mostly crit where you can, then a couple direct hit because it does help with dps and you need at least one or two melds to basically activate it, otherwise you won't get any direct hits. After then you can do spell speed since you have dots. Shouldn't really need piety and determination is pretty useless.
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    I'd argue Spell Speed isn't all that great on SCH now. We only have 2 DoTs that we should be keeping up at all times, and the majority of our healing, when playing optimally, will be oGCD; further negating any benefits of Spell Speed.

    My melding so far has been as follows:

    1) Crit on anything that doesn't already have crit.
    2) Determination for progression. It's marginally less DPS than Direct Hit, however it boosts healing as well.
    3) Direct Hit when farming runs. If you have the gil/clusters to remeld.
    4) Vitality on 2 or 3 accessories, only when you're progressing on Neo ExDeath.

    Might be worth noting that you should always have at least 1 Direct Hit melded, as it unlocks the ability to get Direct Hits. You should not need to meld Piety at all. If you end up having mana issues, either your group is dying too much or you need to be a little more cautious of Succor/Adlo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuroroNoire View Post
    Mostly crit where you can, then a couple direct hit because it does help with dps and you need at least one or two melds to basically activate it, otherwise you won't get any direct hits. After then you can do spell speed since you have dots. Shouldn't really need piety and determination is pretty useless.
    Determation is not useless (yet) and you shouldn't go very high on sps, because we have less dots than before and healers are clipping more this expansion than in hw. The stat is not useless, but clipping makes the stat look worse. Also you need more piety with an high sps build. I would only get as much sps, i would need for a certain gcd tier, i prefer to play with and not like 1500 sps or sth like this.
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    Gunsa Cabalabob
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    I wouldn't bother with direct hit unless you're going all in with 6 materias on everything, that 1 direct hit every 150~ casts from having 1 meld is not worth it, nothing is going to die that wouldn't have died anyway because you got one direct hit broil, and you can't direct hit a heal, you're better off just using food with direct hit on it.

    For melds, crit is your obvious first choice, then I'd say det, spell speed isn't so great anymore since we have no regens ourself and only 2 DoTs now (3 in AoE) and those are all spell speed is helping, while det effects your heals, damage and DoTs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabalabob View Post
    I wouldn't bother with direct hit unless you're going all in with 6 materias on everything, that 1 direct hit every 150~ casts from having 1 meld is not worth it, nothing is going to die that wouldn't have died anyway because you got one direct hit broil, and you can't direct hit a heal, you're better off just using food with direct hit on it.
    Well given how easy it is to come across VI materia, I'd assume that is what he's melding. And ultimately once you don't need the healing power, there's no real reason not to go all out on DH if you've already got crit on all your pieces.

    Also I'd scrap the food idea, chances are you probably won't get enough DH from it to unlock the stat. You certainly won't get the benefit of getting all the food stat points if you've not melded any DH.
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    Last edited by Kabzy; 09-16-2017 at 12:54 AM.

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    Vayne Darkbringer
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    Crit, Det, Sps, DH, in that order of priority. 5 Grade 6 Vit for right side if progging on O4S.
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    Last edited by VenusStar; 09-18-2017 at 06:22 PM. Reason: Forgot to mention melds for Savage prog.

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    Maffer Dragonhand
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Crit, crit and more crit... When you can
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    Why would you say Determination is not useless "yet?" What do you mean by that?
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