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Thread: DPSing as AST

  1. #41
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    EllieShadeflare's Avatar
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    Honestly, if it weren't for the "weak" damage (but that's mostly because AST lacks an AoE DoT and good burst attack vs SCH and WHM) of AST, I'd say it's utterly broken. Objectively, its healing potency is higher than a White Mage for Benefic II and Helios thanks to the persistent Sects (wait, why wouldn't you hold on to them?), powerful oGCD emergency heals (Essential Dignity and Earthly Star work wonders, especially with their lower Cooldowns versus White Mages (even with full Lillies, Tetragrammaton still only gets 48s as a cooldown and Plenary Indulgence not only doesn't benefit from Lillies but it also relies on buffs on party members to use properly (confessions)) and not being linked to your job's currency like Lustrate, Excog or Indom on Scholar.

    Regarding that card debate, only two cards are really situational, but both of those can be used. Spear, Balance and Arrow are all of equal value now, with Spear boosting crits to be even more common (A Scholar would love you if you combo'd a Spear with their Chain Strat), Arrow making attacks all that much faster (Black Mages will love you for making their rotation more forgiving, and other classes won't mind the speed for the most part), Balance is flat damage (Which everyone loves). Bole is wonderful if you have it and need it, and is one of the better mitigation tools if you discount the randomness of getting it, and even Spire and Ewer have a good role in all parties (If you don't have melee DPS, give it to the tank(s) if they're getting low on TP. Use Bole on yourself or your co-healer if you don't have a RDM or SMN).

    Having that "random" element to the Astrologian balances out its major strengths in healing and being good in support, I feel and removing the RNG would make it an auto-include at all times... not that it already isn't at times.
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    Kaiten Kenbu
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    The problem I have with AST DPS is that it is pitiful and pathetic.

    I always feel I contribute more playing with cards than doing any actual DPS.
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    Amphelice Shepard
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    AST DPS is really, really boring to me... I kind of intended to main it but decided that was kind of a dealbreaker and focused more on WHM. Its nice to switch over when I'm feeling like doing something closer to the "pure healer" thing though.
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    Raul Prower
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    As I mentioned earlier, all DPS provided by your cards could essentially be considered -yours-. For example, if you can increase a BLM's AoE DPS from 6000 to 7000 with a Balance, that extra 1000 DPS is in a way your DPS.

    Whether or not you are okay with this kind of indirect DPS is up to you, but AST is by no means a bad choice.
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    Loki Lux
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    Quote Originally Posted by SleepyNeko View Post

    So the question is, does WHM do a significant amount more damage compared to AST? Also is it worth spending much time DPSing as AST? Feels like dpsing as AST drains your MP too quickly while still offering tickledamge.
    Yes WHM does. Honestly, unless there is absolutely nothing else you can heal or play with cards, go for it, but don't worry too much if you dont. It's damage is just....well its just bad....I will use Gravity on big mob pulls and drop a dot.....but...unless i spread a balance, DPS isn't my concern on AST most of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiten_kenbu View Post
    The problem I have with AST DPS is that it is pitiful and pathetic.

    I always feel I contribute more playing with cards than doing any actual DPS.
    You do contribute more with cards. You should never give DPSing priority over using your Card Cooldowns.
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    To be fair, AST DPS isn't all that far behind WHM and SCH; it's just even more simplistic (read: pretty boring) and a bit lower in potency.

    Using cards shouldn't hugely decrease personal DPS uptime since all card abilities are oGCD and can be woven easily between spells.
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