Class => Job => ???

[Jijifli]

If SMN and SCH are anything to go by, that's not a welcoming idea.

Don't get me wrong, it seems cool, but that's what was in their minds with arcanist being able to go multiple paths. It became a balancing nightmare as you couldn't touch, say, half of scholar's kit without also touching summoner. Let's say black mage and summoner are doing too well, because of fire I and ruin I. You can easily fix fire I, but if you weaken ruin 1, now scholar got hit, even if it wasn't doing well.

[SendohJin]

If SMN and SCH are anything to go by, that's not a welcoming idea.

Don't get me wrong, it seems cool, but that's what was in their minds with arcanist being able to go multiple paths. It became a balancing nightmare as you couldn't touch, say, half of scholar's kit without also touching summoner. Let's say black mage and summoner are doing too well, because of fire I and ruin I. You can easily fix fire I, but if you weaken ruin 1, now scholar got hit, even if it wasn't doing well.

while this was true, they've gotten very far away from this.

SCH doesn't have Bio/Miasma/Ruin III, SMN doesn't have Broil or Quickened Aetherflow.

[Jijifli]

while this was true, they've gotten very far away from this.

SCH doesn't have Bio/Miasma/Ruin III, SMN doesn't have Broil or Quickened Aetherflow.

Arcanist doesn't have either of those, which helps on my point... ish.

Basically, the fix to SCH and SMN's issue is to have traits transform as many class skills into job skills that they can. Broil was put in the game so they could balance ruin if needed. Bio/MiasmaIII is the same case, so they can change smn without touching sch. Some still exist though where touching one hurts the other, like Bane, Shadow Flare, Aetherflow, etc.

Honestly I'd like if we just got away from class system entirely and just got SCH and SMN split apart into their own sections.

[SendohJin]

Some still exist though where touching one hurts the other, like Bane, Shadow Flare, Aetherflow, etc.

all of which can be fixed with additional traits if they think it was a problem. Bane Mastery, Shadowflare Mastery, they can add whatever they want. none of the issues with SCH and SMN now are because they are linked.

they don't care about balance under Lv 60 anyway. the only thing they should change about ACN is make it a healer role and give regular carbuncle a cure.

[Jijifli]

all of which can be fixed with additional traits if they think it was a problem. Bane Mastery, Shadowflare Mastery, they can add whatever they want. none of the issues with SCH and SMN now are because they are linked.

they don't care about balance under Lv 60 anyway. the only thing they should change about ACN is make it a healer role and give regular carbuncle a cure.

It's still showing a failure if you need to give something a bunch of traits just to balance the two apart.

The only other thing I can think of is just coding the job crystal to give different potency, but would Square do that?

[SendohJin]

It's still showing a failure if you need to give something a bunch of traits just to balance the two apart.

that's not why they do it? RDM gets Jolt upgrade just like SCH gets Broil upgrade, BRD gets Bite updates just like SMN gets Bio/Miasma updates. the balance is part of it but it's not the main reason.