SE please read this comment "ALT problem on top100 feast"

[Syrus_Draco]

I agree that alts taking up top 100 slots isn't ideal (just like alts taking housing plots) and that if they can limit it to 1 per account then that's the best solution. But I do have to ask - is this really a problem that we know of? Is there an "alt problem" in the top 100? How do you know people are playing alts into the top 100?

In the PVP LS I'm in I've seen/heard several of players talk about switching to alts and taking up the top 100 spots and such. I'm sure other servers have players like that. In that case they are minimizing the 100 pool but a decent chunk.

[Cynric]

I don't know if it's that they don't care. They are probably working on a solution that may take a while. Like how would they code it in?

It's not the coding aspect that makes this difficult. It's almost impossible to determine the difference between an Alternate Account and a second player in the house. They could simply use a method of removal for any same account characters. But that wouldn't fix the entire issue.


For hacking/Win Trading, it would be much more helpful if they were able to use video proof to aid in their investigations. Then after that it's a (Boring.Tedious, but effective) matter of looking at the logs. Filtering by win/loss only if possible, determine a players largest amount of wins/losses against a single player, look at damage dealt/healing done and, (if possible) times disconnected against certain players versus others, that's all just for win trading.

They also should have the ability to see if a player is forcing matches against themselves by cross-checking IP/Mac, though there are ways around this sort of checking unfortunately.

For third party tools(hacking), well the only answer really is better security. I'm not sure how much they can really do on this front. But if they want to see this ever get to esports level they're going to have to commit resources to this sooner rather than later.

For callout usage, removal of the battle log during PvP is probably the only way.

In short, for a limited team it's not a small task at all. However if they don't commit any resources to this now, feast won't survive to be competitive later. A lot of players are feeling burned as it is.

[Connor]

These type of issues seem to have been part of PvP since it's creation. Botting, speed or teleporting 'hacks', using alternate characters from the same account to dominate the rankings, win-trading, use of third party programs to gain advantages where others wouldn't such as using voice-communications in a 4vs4 randomly matched game or programs that alert them to things they wouldn't naturally be aware of (e.g DPS uses X ability from the other side of the arena, the tank may not normally be aware they're about to try and burst if they're so far away, but when you have a program that can alert you the second it's about to come up...)

It's not likely to change, either. There isn't any way they can stop people from using third party programs, hacks, etc, there's always going to be people who will find a way around it. Honestly I think a more likely scenario is that they delete ranked Feast; I honestly believe they'd choose doing that over putting things in place that can effectively and efficiently stop players from 'cheating'

Addendum: it's funny to see the Feast advertised so often by the FFXIV team on social media as if it's true, meaningful content in its own right, and not just an extra for when one is bored of PvE. I wonder how many times they've had to fight against people utilising these programs

[Cynric]

Addendum: it's funny to see the Feast advertised so often by the FFXIV team on social media as if it's true, meaningful content in its own right, and not just an extra for when one is bored of PvE. I wonder how many times they've had to fight against people utilising these programs

Dunno about other folks, but I PvP far far more than I've ever done the pve content. For me its the reverse, outside of raids its just run the same dungeons over and over to farm tomes, in fights you've done a ton of times, for gear you have to keep updated to continue to do the same thing, at least the stories are usually interesting. I'm pretty thankful they added tomes to PvP honestly, now I hardly ever have to step foot in the same dungeon more than I want to.

At least fighting players can be somewhat different between matches. But that's why we all have different opinions and enjoy different content.

[SuperZay]

I like when people are flaming others for having alts with different jobs on the same datacenter while themselves have alts on different datacenters. With pathetic excuses like 'there's different meta so it's okay'. An alt is an alt, you are still taking someone's spot in Top 100. Stop this hypocrisy. Play on your main on your datacenter like you are supposed to do, stop taking world dominance and robbing other people of their rewards. No, you don't really need 4 copies of the same coat.

[snipski]

Im against alts taking up ladder spots aswell, but usually the pvp community is so small even smaller now after the "pvp revamp" in SB it feels like... We just need more ppl to play feast ranked overall.

[Culfinrandir]

Im against alts taking up ladder spots aswell, but usually the pvp community is so small even smaller now after the "pvp revamp" in SB it feels like... We just need more ppl to play feast ranked overall.

I agree. I'd love to get more into Feast but currently it's a "closed shop". If you're not in the gang then you're not going to succeed. It's like Hunts at the moment, the new hack software is essential if you want to hunt so those of us who don't want to risk our accounts or information just can't be am effective part of it. Let's not even get into certain "essential" raid software that does so much stuff it almost plays for you... of course there IS software that can run PVP, Open World, Crafting & Gathering content without human intervention whatsoever that is now far more common than you'd realise. SE need to step up or things will go south.

[kensatsu]

i agree with superzay, 10 spot if not more in the top 100 can be easily robbed at least if we include players doing multi alts on the same datacenter and also the one just making alt on different datacenter. just play your main.

[LalaRu]

...I'd love to get more into Feast but currently it's a "closed shop"...

Maybe there is some "fear" to get into the arena.

To lessen the harsh 'first contact', maybe having the unranked being matched only with unranked may help, and being matched with ranked after they got bronze. The brand new bronze will get an hard welcome anyway, but at least s/he is more prepared for that.

Why not let Top100 actualy to be 100 different players

Agree. Ranking is s personal thing, about the player's skills, and not a different thing for each character the player have. Let the player choose their "main" on a datacenter and show ranking only for it.

[Kaiche]

Doesn't matter if the alts on the same DC or another it still takes up a slot some other person could've had. It's not like you have mains on different DCs and play them all to the same extent, you will just take the rewards from someone on that DC and it's pretty much wasted. All in all it's selfish and alts in general ruin the experience.