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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravton View Post
    Even if they did add it to pve, it would probably be a setting under character customization. A box that you would check. What difference would it make if a player preferred it or didn't?
    Even better, they should be able to just let you have the best of both worlds. We could have the consolidated Combo Buttons as something we can drag to our bar without removing the ability to drag individual weaponskills to our bars. Thinking about it, most opponents of the change have been working under the assumption that the Combo Buttons and individual weaponskills have to be mutually exclusive, but they don't. Implemented in that sort of hybrid manner, it would even allow MNK/SAM to partake without losing out on Perfect Balance/Meikyo Shisui.
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    Last edited by Vandril; 09-11-2017 at 06:47 PM.
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    I hope it never comes to Pve, that makes the whole game brain dead.
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    A toggle or option would be fine if SE could guarantee parity between the simplistic and advanced modes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    Please no. I don't like it in PvP to begin with. I certainly don't want it moved over to PvE. That just makes rotations feel even more dumbed down.
    Why? How is 1,2,3 any harder then 1,1,1? I never understood this, people love to act like this game takes "skill" just because so many can't play?
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    So pre built macros. As long as they add a drag and drop macro tool as well and let crafters use it. I doubt anyone would miss 16 flawless Synth button mashing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ksenia View Post
    So pre built macros. As long as they add a drag and drop macro tool as well and let crafters use it. I doubt anyone would miss 16 flawless Synth button mashing.
    That is another way doing things, let people make their own though drag and drop system, that is a good idea
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow_Princess View Post
    Why? How is 1,2,3 any harder then 1,1,1? I never understood this, people love to act like this game takes "skill" just because so many can't play?
    I don't get it either. Maybe they prefer to have instant access to all of their skills. Although to me it seems useless to trigger any skill without the combo itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow_Princess View Post
    Why? How is 1,2,3 any harder then 1,1,1? I never understood this, people love to act like this game takes "skill" just because so many can't play?
    Which requires more thought... pressing one button over and over, or knowing which of three buttons to press when? Clearly one is harder than the other. Is it a particularly tough challenge? No. But toss it in to chaotic environments like raids or dungeons and it helps provide a little extra challenge and depth to the game.
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    The only thing from PvP that should be brought over to PvE are the skill consolidations that should have been in place since the launch of Stormblood. It's completely ass backwards how they claimed they were reducing button bloat, yet still had numerous cases of needless bloat.

    Dreadwyrm Trance + Deathflare
    Summon Bahamut + Enkindle Bahamut
    Leylines + Between the Lines
    Enochian being a trait and not a needless button press - you lose access to everything when you drop AF/UI anyway

    The list goes on. How can they justify having Nastrond replacing Geirskogul, yet leave shit like this in?
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    I don't think that putting combos like they are in PvP would dumb the game down at all. It's not any harder to press 1-2-3 in the right order with ~2-2.5s in between each button press than to press 1-1-1. If anything, by making these changes to PvE too, they'd have so much free room that they could add a LOT of new standalone skills based on job-specific mechanics and oGCDs that would actually increase the skill cap of the classes. Right now, we have so much buttons just for bland GCD combos that require no skill whatsoever to properly pull off, that it ultimately limits the number of buttons available for other interesting mechanics that they could add.

    Quote Originally Posted by CorbinDallas View Post
    The only thing from PvP that should be brought over to PvE are the skill consolidations that should have been in place since the launch of Stormblood. It's completely ass backwards how they claimed they were reducing button bloat, yet still had numerous cases of needless bloat.

    Dreadwyrm Trance + Deathflare
    Summon Bahamut + Enkindle Bahamut
    Leylines + Between the Lines
    Enochian being a trait and not a needless button press - you lose access to everything when you drop AF/UI anyway

    The list goes on. How can they justify having Nastrond replacing Geirskogul, yet leave shit like this in?
    They did a great job with WAR, making Fell Cleave and Inner Beast share the same button, same for Decimate/Steel Cyclone and Unchained/Inner Release. And they also have Equilibrium since HW which could have been two seperate skills since it has completely different functions depending on the stance. But it's one button too. Why didn't they do the same for every job ? It's really awkward.
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