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    Quote Originally Posted by Shamox View Post
    Beside being pretty much hardware dependant there's actually way more than simply doing your rotation correctly and using everything on cooldown, you have to adapt and you can optimize your whole rotation (and ninki rotation) depending of each fight, you also have to map every trick attack correctly to get the most rDPS out of it, same goes for enmity management.
    Uh, how does this differ from literally every other job in the game? I have to adjust my opener on Samurai for better optimization on V3S based on Spellblade Holy, for example. Dragoon moves its buffs around to properly align with the raid for "burst phases." Mapping out Trick Attack isn't any different than maintaining Greased Lighting or BotD throughout phase skips. In fact, both of those can be far more cumbersome on specific fights. You seem to be creating this illusion only Ninja has to optimize their rotation based on a fight. Ask a good Black Mage or Summoner the sheer amount of micromanagement that goes into their opener and Ninja's isn't even close.

    To answer the OP's question. I would rank Monk ahead of Ninja nowadays in terms of overall difficulty. For the melee in general: Dragoon >= Monk > Ninja > Samurai would be my rankings.
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    Last edited by Bourne_Endeavor; 09-10-2017 at 12:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    Uh, how does this differ from literally every other job in the game? I have to adjust my opener on Samurai for better optimization on V3S based on Spellblade Holy, for example. Dragoon moves its buffs around to properly align with the raid for "burst phases." Mapping out Trick Attack isn't any different than maintaining Greased Lighting or BotD throughout phase skips. In fact, both of those can be far more cumbersome on specific fights. You seem to be creating this illusion only Ninja has to optimize their rotation based on a fight. Ask a good Black Mage or Summoner the sheer amount of micromanagement that goes into their opener and Ninja's isn't even close.

    To answer the OP's question. I would rank Monk ahead of Ninja nowadays in terms of overall difficulty. For the melee in general: Dragoon >= Monk > Ninja > Samurai would be my rankings.
    This was a NIN - MNK comparison.
    While most melee rotations are rigid (DRG being the best exemple), NIN (and kinda SAM) offers you to switch combos order at will. Ninki mapping is also a very different thing than just "switching buffs" around.
    Comparing TAs mapping to maintaining GL and BotD during phase skips/disengaging situations > ?

    I only rejected the fact that monk would be harder than NIN, every melees are pretty easy to pick up and once you can play one decently you probably can play all 4 of them.
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    Last edited by Shamox; 09-10-2017 at 01:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shamox View Post
    This was a NIN - MNK comparison.
    While most melee rotations are rigid (DRG being the best exemple), NIN (and kinda SAM) offers you to switch combos order at will. Ninki mapping is also a very different thing than just "switching buffs" around.
    Comparing TAs mapping to maintaining GL and BotD during phase skips/disengaging situations > ?I only rejected the fact that monk would be harder than NIN, every melees are pretty easy to pick up and once you can play one decently you probably can play all 4 of them.
    And? I added what I openly acknowledged were my own subjective opinion on the melee job at the end of the post, following my answer to the OP.

    You're making a false equivalent. Ninki betters compares with Greased Lightning or BotD management whereas moving your raid utilities to better compliment the group aligns with Trick Attack usage. Overall, none is particularly difficult nor is it more difficult on Ninja. Now you are, of course, welcome to believe otherwise but if you're going to insist Ninjas is harder objectively, you need something to back up that assertion. Posting silly gifs isn't an argument.
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