Faking disconnects

[alimdia]

You don't always get massive disconnects due to DDoS attacks all year round, do you? When something like that happens, it's more than reasonable to halt the DF penalty count server-wide, just like how certain measures are put in place during expansion launches to manage traffic.

By the time the devs realize there's an issue and halt the penalties hundreds of people across all 60+ servers will be unfairly affected, not to mention network issues aren't always related to DDoS or even related to SE at all.

These forums never cease to amaze me with the endless obsession with seeing other people being punished for every small thing, it's like the enjoyment of some people depends on other people being punished.

It's a matter of time before someone asks for perma bans if you don't say hi in a dungeon.

[Zfz]

By the time the devs realize there's an issue and halt the penalties hundreds of people across all 60+ servers will be unfairly affected, not to mention network issues aren't always related to DDoS or even related to SE at all.

Which is why I noted my own experience, and stayed out of the DF until my connection problems were fixed.

These forums never cease to amaze me ...

There's a problem, and someone proposes a penalty. Let's discuss the merits of the penalty instead of turning it ad hominen as if that somehow supports your argument.

The original idea was that disconnecting does basically the same thing to the party as leaving early, hence it should be counted as leaving early and get penalties. It takes the idea further and proposes a strike, making the penalty equivalent to declining a queue.

Personally I can support it because I don't think it's "small thing". There are legitimate ways to leave a duty. If one tries to fake a disconnect to avoid the penalty, it's only fair to get a heavier penalty. Now if it is not faked and there really is network connection problems, then why are you even trying to queue, or trying to play the game at all? You should be trying to find out what the problem is, and fix it. If it's outside of your sphere of influence, then report it and do something else, instead of saying "it's not my fault so all of you are obliged to suffer from my disconnects".

[Jeykama]

I hope you start getting 90k errors every few minutes and then see what other players have to put up with. Before you blame it on there internet. Massive Disconnects they said is from ddos attacks so how is that the players fault.

DDoS attacks don't happen every single day. Neither do internet issues. And if I was disconnecting like crazy I would be taking my own advice and not be queueing for instances.

If you're legitimately disconnecting that much, regardless of the cause you shouldn't be queuing. Obvious answer. Same answer if the servers are being unstable for whatever reason, avoid queuing. It doesn't take a genius to figure out when servers are unstable.

At any rate, I only suggested to incur a DF strike if you were kicked for whatever reason, not just because of a disconnect. You can report abusive kicks if you felt you didn't deserve it, but if you were offline/afk long enough it's not really any contest.

[Airget]

The best way to put it is yes people do fake disconnect but not all disconnects are fake disconnects. Here's one many people may be unaware of that as far as I know your cable company is liable for when it occurs. Weather conditions like rain can add wear and tear to the cable outside. The water seeps into the cable connectors and starts eroding the wiring within. When this occurs you'll end up having predictable moments of disconnecting, for me it would always occur in the afternoon and vary from lasting from 1-3hrs in that time frame.

Basically if you find yourself always disconnecting at X time and you've concluded that it's not your modem or router, odds are your outside wiring needs to be replaced.

[Meraii]

The best way to put it is yes people do fake disconnect but not all disconnects are fake disconnects.

This. The way people talk about it, you'd think everything every other player does is specifically to spite you. :|
Sure, there may be some fake DC'ers out there, but I highly doubt it is the majority.

There are already tools in place to kick offline players. Trying to claim they deserve an extra level of punishment when you don't even for certain know their circumstances is just antagonisitc.

[Sarteck]

I've never run into this issue, but I'm a newb, so...

But anyways, thank you to those of you that DO wait. I can't remember what Dungeon it was, but when I was doing one for my MSQ, my power blipped out right before the final boss of the dungeon. As a DPS, I'd been waiting in queue for almost half an hour, and I was devastated that I wouldn't be able to finish the dungeon. I hopped back on (took almost ten minutes, because I forgot my BIOS boots my Linux by default, and had to reboot after the first boot), and my party was there, patiently waiting for me, and said, "we couldn't kick you on your first run!" I was so happy, I could have cried.

Honestly, the overwhelming majority of my experience with other players so far has been extremely positive, with the number of "bad" incidents being able to be counted on one hand. I've been so pleasantly surprised by this (my first experience with MMOs), because I've always heard that many MMO vets were assholes.

[technole]

Those people who say "kick me". In a sense it's harassment to tell people to kick you.

You realize there is a 4-hour cooldown to kick another player once you do it. Those people AFKing in frontlines get kicked, and I'd rather use it where it's warranted because I've ran into situations where I can't kick again, lol.

If you want to leave so bad, you can eat a penalty. No one is stopping you, so don't harass people about it.

[sakkito]

I had a mentor dps dced at the beginning of dunge after saying 'hello'. Why? I queued for levelling got Doma castle I wrote as a healer that I don't do Stormblood content that often but I will do my best. We cleared stuff until 1st boss before we could kick the dc'ed mentor. Got new rdm. The run went without a hitch even with undergeared bard. It felt bad tho.

[Alleo]

I had a mentor dps dced at the beginning of dunge after saying 'hello'. Why? I queued for levelling got Doma castle I wrote as a healer that I don't do Stormblood content that often but I will do my best. We cleared stuff until 1st boss before we could kick the dc'ed mentor. Got new rdm. The run went without a hitch even with undergeared bard. It felt bad tho.

I really dislike people that disconnect at the very beginning of a dungeon just because they dont like it or because people are new. Why do they even go into roulette if they dont take anything that is in there? Or at least they could take their punishment and not further punish all the others. I mean I could understand it, if its not doable because the people are just too bad but then one can simply still take the disconnect. I really dont find those people really mature..

[Miste]

I really dont find those people really mature..

To be fair in sakkito's case you can't actually tell if the person did it on purpose. You guys are just assuming they did it on purpose, they might not have. I've had my power go out just as I was loading into a DF and I've also lost my internet connection to my ISP before as well at really bad times. I've also been d/c while loading into some DF's lately, but sometimes I get back in on time before I get kicked while others I've been kicked before I could get back in.

I mean you can call it suspicious, but without proof you cannot claim it was intentional.