is it okay to not enjoy big pulls?

[Aomine1992]

I've been tanking off and on since ARR and I still don't like big pulls in duty finder lol it's a mixed bag of crap you may not be ready to deal with as far as your team....

If you don't do big pulls so what let them leave or kick you so you can re que in five secs while they still wait for a tank in progress which takes a while lol never let anyone dictate how you want to tank unless you are wiping the party then you need to reevaluate your process

[bounddreamer]

I actually had a duty finder WHM get so angry at a returner tank in Dusk Vigil that they actually left when the tank ignored their demands to mass pull. The tank was surprised when the healer dropped, and asked us if he'd done anything wrong. We assured him that he hadn't and to keep pulling at his own pace. We dps were both melee jobs anyhow, so there would have been no advantage to big pulls besides Holy, and without Thin Air that drains mp super fast.

The next healer was much more understanding.

Most people will be understanding. As you gain confidence with holding aggro and using your cooldowns effectively, you may find it easier to pull big packs together. But take it at your pace, don't let anyone force you.

[GDFletcher]

1. It is not a confidence thing, get this idea out of your head. It is Trust thing, if you can't trust the 3 people behind you, you aint mass pulling
2. Party Make up - Not every group as the advantage of large pulls, 2x melee is pointless, don't bother asking, use some intelligence.

The two most important people in the dungeon are the Healer and the Tank those DPS in the middle just learn to realise you are there just to make things die a bit a quicker, you do not get a say on how many the tank pulls, your sole job is to kill what he presents to you. If he is pulling moderately then he/she as a certain level of trust issues or the party make up doesn't meet the requirements in his/her mind for a mass pull.

If you have a tank and healer that know each others strengths then yes they will probably add more mobs to the mixture, but you are going into Duty Finder and this happening is low, so do not assume the tank is going to rush off and pull everything including the kitchen sink, you have 90mins on the clock and the average "slow" run will be 25mins that isnt so bad when your Timer to get into the dungeon can exceed that and some.

Let the Tank do his/her job and shut up, the more people get annoyed with tanks because of this issue the less tanks you will have in the duty finder sphere and your queues will be even longer!

[Argyle_Darkheart]

We dps were both melee jobs anyhow, so there would have been no advantage to big pulls

Are you serious?

Not every group as the advantage of large pulls, 2x melee is pointless, don't bother asking, use some intelligence.!

Guess you're not alone.

Melee DPS have AoE skills too, you know, and some of them are pretty good.

I don't know where either of you are getting this idea that melee DPS don't benefit from large pulls (or that they benefit so much less from them than ranged or caster DPS), but you're wrong.

[bounddreamer]

Are you serious?

Boy, there are certain dungeons where mass pulls make sense for aoe, and there are dungeons where they don't make sense depending on your party composition.

This was one where it wouldn't have made sense.

[Argyle_Darkheart]

Boy, there are certain dungeons where mass pulls make sense for aoe, and there are dungeons where they don't make sense depending on your party composition.

This was one where it wouldn't have made sense.

You said it was Dusk Vigil, so you're wrong. Cute response though.

[bounddreamer]

You said it was Dusk Vigil, so you're wrong. Cute response though.

What's cute is you thinking all dps have equally good aoe in every situation.

Big pulls wouldn't have made it faster. We cleared the dungeon in a reasonable amount of time despite the WHM dropping.

And just to keep it on topic, a tank shouldn't pull more than they're comfortable pulling. That's what it comes down to, though knowing where big pulls are a smart choice is a factor as well.

[dragonseth07]

What's cute is you thinking all dps have equally good aoe in every situation.

Big pulls wouldn't have made it faster. We cleared the dungeon in a reasonable amount of time despite the WHM dropping.

And just to keep it on topic, a tank shouldn't pull more than they're comfortable pulling. That's what it comes down to, though knowing where big pulls are a smart choice is a factor as well.

All AoE is not made equal, for sure. But, the perception that melee classes have terrible AoE is mostly unwarranted. They are weak in that they can run out of TP quickly (which the pull should be dead before mostly anyway), and some of them have awkward aiming conditions (looking at DRG).

But, all classes are capable of putting out good AoE DPS. Melee classes have a more difficult time of it (so your average terrible DF DPS will suck at it) but they can definitely compete.

[Argyle_Darkheart]

What's cute is you thinking all dps have equally good aoe in every situation.

Interesting; tell me what else I think.

You're still wrong, by the way.

[Aomine1992]

Are you serious?


Guess you're not alone.

Melee DPS have AoE skills too, you know, and some of them are pretty good.

I don't know where either of you are getting this idea that melee DPS don't benefit from large pulls (or that they benefit so much less from them than ranged or caster DPS), but you're wrong.

This! lol the only melee whos aoe is awful is DRG but the rest of them are great especially SAM which is almost SMN tier of aoe