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    Jordan O'niell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hookla View Post
    Being a new player to this game I picked warrior as my first class. Now I'll admit I do not like big pulls, it is what it is, but that's life. You just have to learn to deal with it, every class will have mechanics you won't like about it honestly I'm less of a fan of stance dancing than I am big pulls though.
    Just be ready for the SALT then. If you still have your Sprout icon, you will be given a large amount of slack.

    If you were my tank, I would not care. The run will be a little slower but meh. I will likely never see you again. So, the effort it would take to "complain" about your tanking style would be longer than just enduring it until the run is over.
    Other players though, ya, they will whine, complain, berate, kick you, leave, etc... for such an insignificant thing as a 7 minute longer run.
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    Last edited by ChameleonMS; 09-15-2017 at 05:25 AM.

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    You need to at least learn how to do big pulls and be comfortable with it, you don't have to enjoy every single second of it. If you have a party that wants to do big pulls and is capable of it, it's not really your place to hold the party hostage just because you don't feel like it. Don't be selfish. Though I don't really pug often (and I definitely don't pug as a tank, no thanks), so I guess protocol would be to ask at the beginning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hruodig View Post
    You need to at least learn how to do big pulls and be comfortable with it, you don't have to enjoy every single second of it. If you have a party that wants to do big pulls and is capable of it, it's not really your place to hold the party hostage just because you don't feel like it. Don't be selfish. Though I don't really pug often (and I definitely don't pug as a tank, no thanks), so I guess protocol would be to ask at the beginning.
    So let me get this straight: theoretically, I would be being selfish for not wanting to pull big, because eirher I or the healer am not geared or am otherwise unconfortable in doing big pulls, but you aren't being selfish in demanding I pull big. Right. Gotcha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KalinOrthos View Post
    So let me get this straight: theoretically, I would be being selfish for not wanting to pull big, because eirher I or the healer am not geared or am otherwise unconfortable in doing big pulls, but you aren't being selfish in demanding I pull big. Right. Gotcha.
    Undergeared or underskilled is a whole other factor, and you know it. This is about wants, pure and simple.

    And when it comes to wants, there is one rule: majority rules. If 3 people want a speedrun, and you don't, it's time to be an adult and go along with them.

    And, generally, that's how DF goes. I think I've had one or two groups over my career that really wanted to take it slow for some reason. I've had plenty that couldn't handle big pulls, but again, that's an issue of can't, not of won't. Adjust to what your team can handle naturally, but the goal of any content is the same: OPTIMIZE it. That means big pulls, it means AoE rotations, it means Healer DPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonseth07 View Post
    Undergeared or underskilled is a whole other factor, and you know it. This is about wants, pure and simple.
    Except it's not. The OP, at the time if posting this, was underleveled and, as is the case with leveling a tank, relatively undergeared. Regardless of whether or not you can handle pulls in lower level content, he was having issues with larger pulls. Once a tank hits Bardam's Mettle, too, they're no longer going to be able to pull big until they get at-level greens or HQ whites, because the mobs there hit like trucks. But jerks like you, like so many of the DPS I personally have seen, don't care; yiu're too focused on getting everything done nownownownow, and screw what the tank thinks or is capable of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KalinOrthos View Post
    Except it's not. The OP, at the time if posting this, was underleveled and, as is the case with leveling a tank, relatively undergeared. Regardless of whether or not you can handle pulls in lower level content, he was having issues with larger pulls. Once a tank hits Bardam's Mettle, too, they're no longer going to be able to pull big until they get at-level greens or HQ whites, because the mobs there hit like trucks. But jerks like you, like so many of the DPS I personally have seen, don't care; yiu're too focused on getting everything done nownownownow, and screw what the tank thinks or is capable of.
    Capable of and thinks are totally different. One matters, the other probably doesn't. What a party CAN do is extremely relevant. Big pulls when undergeared or with a crappy team only slows you down, the opposite of what you want. What someone WANTS to do is totally different and again comes down to majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KalinOrthos View Post
    Except it's not. The OP, at the time if posting this, was underleveled and, as is the case with leveling a tank, relatively undergeared. Regardless of whether or not you can handle pulls in lower level content, he was having issues with larger pulls. Once a tank hits Bardam's Mettle, too, they're no longer going to be able to pull big until they get at-level greens or HQ whites, because the mobs there hit like trucks. But jerks like you, like so many of the DPS I personally have seen, don't care; yiu're too focused on getting everything done nownownownow, and screw what the tank thinks or is capable of.
    You have a very weird attitude about this. Wanting to get things done fast and efficiently doesn't make you a jerk, it just means you have different priorities. And if your priorities don't match the rest of your party's priorities (not counting skill or gear), then you need to grow up and adjust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonseth07 View Post
    Capable of and thinks are totally different. One matters, the other probably doesn't. What a party CAN do is extremely relevant. Big pulls when undergeared or with a crappy team only slows you down, the opposite of what you want. What someone WANTS to do is totally different and again comes down to majority.
    I like how you latch onto one itty bitty statement on my post and disregard anything else I said, and simply handwaving my issues away as something that "probably doesn't" matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KalinOrthos View Post
    I like how you latch onto one itty bitty statement on my post and disregard anything else I said, and simply handwaving my issues away as something that "probably doesn't" matter.
    Okay, here you go:

    The OP is undergeared. His post wasn't about that. It was about wants and desires. He even said he can do it but doesn't enjoy it. Sorry that I decided to talk about the topic.
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    strictly speaking it's fine to not like big pulls and i honestly wouldn't give a shit especially if you're a new player. for me, when i tank, i pull big, and i prefer tanks who pull big when i'm not tanking, but it's honestly not going to ruin my day if the run goes a little slower.
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