Guess What? Some Of Us Are New Ya Know

[AngelCheese77]

So, yeah ... I'd like to point out to all those who have played this game for a long time .. that's cool. We get ya. But not all of us are new.

Case in point, my husband and I ran Castrum Meridanum. We needed it to clear the main story. Waited for quite a while to get a group.

Never had a chance to let people know it was out first time and they were off. When my husband did mention to slow down a bit, as he was healing and trying to keep up ... we were told the below by the Red Mage.



That's right, everyone. People know you are new, but who cares! Keep up, don't ask questions, or get kicked!

Is this serious? Do people really act like this still? They knew we were first timers, as there was the message, but just were flat out rude about it, threatening myself and my husband with kicks.

Thankfully the rest of the group was great. But really, get off your high horses people. C'mon.

[Astral145]

You should have just vote kicked the Red Mage for being rude.

[KalinOrthos]

I'm still absolutely baffled by a lot of player's mentality of GOGOGO FASTERFASTERFASTER. I'm sorry you had to deal with this jerk.

[Aniond]

A lot harder to replace heals then dps

[AngelCheese77]

A lot harder to replace heals then dps

True. If one of us was kicked, the other would have left.

We did do the next dungeon with Ultima at the end, and it went swimmingly. Heck, I even got 2 commendations (which is a rarity as a Bard for me).

I do understand doing the same thing over and over in grinding ways isn't always fun (unless you are insane like me I guess). But remember ... everyone had their first time in any dungeon. Let's all have fun and get prizes!

[Kohdo]

A lot harder to replace heals then dps

This. SUPRE LEET FAST GAEMER RDM might reconsider the attitude if he has to wait in queue again.

[MistakeNot]

I suspected what this referred to even before reading the post - that is how often the subject of new people in Castrum Meridanium or Praetorium has come up.
The problems are well known to everyone. Good solutions are less obvious....

Threatening to kick is highly unusual though, and certainly not okay. Much more common is that people just run ahead leaving the poor newbies lost and confused somewhere - the dungeons are easy enough today that a full group is not needed to clear them.

[ChameleonMS]

But that doesn't excuse people from treating each other badly. When running a dungeon that's designed badly, it's all the more important for players to be considerate of each other, and recognize that for first time players, it's not about racing through the place.

Somehow my criticism of the content and SE's complete lack of any attempt to fix the issue has been taken as an endorsement of the behaviour the player OP was complaining about. I do not condone it but I understand what it is rooted in.

If content is poorly designed, players need to voice their concerns about it. This has been done, hundreds of times for 4 years and SE continues the ignore the issue.
This disregard for player input has breed frustration on the part of the player base.
This frustration is expressed in by the not willing to wait for the newer players. The speed run is not going away; any pretense sentiment otherwise is just naivety.
And, the new players are continuously being upset / disheartened by the experience.

This negative experience happens even before any insensitive player makes Kick threats in the chat.


In the large amount of DEV work category:
SE could resign the dungeon as a solo instance.

In the small amount of DEV work category:
SE could put disclaimers for first timers.
SE could put auto-skip all cutscenes option on for first timers.


fixed a typo.

[LittleSparrow]

What a cunt.

[Pence]

It's a double edge sword....if people do it slow, no one would queue because how long it would take and make your queue near impossible to pop. Unfortunate? Sure. But it's really SEs fault, not the players. (Sidenote: He suggested you kick him. You could have done that)