My Thoughts on qu times for dungeons

[Wizardlizard]

first off i played wow for years now im trying this out and im faced with 30min+ qus to get in a dungeon which iv been spamming main story quest so im unlocking new ones fast and the w8 time is just a joke i remember wow had this problem and they gave tanks/healers a reward giving them a reason to qu up and that made the dps life so much better.
as a new player this is annoying and frustrating and i think this will turn new players off playing something needs to be done

[LittleSparrow]

Maybe find a healer or Tank to que with?

[Seoulstar]

I don't think the problem is us queuing. It's more of the fact that there are way more dps than tanks and healers. The number of dps vs the number of tanks and healers is just..way too big. Maybe more DPS needs to switch over and it may eventually even out which results in shorter queue times.

[Zojha]

Maybe more DPS needs to switch over and it may eventually even out which results in shorter queue times.

No need for the "may". If DPS would switch over, the queue times would become shorter. In the same vein, if tanks and healers would just queue for content twice over, that would also result in shorter queue times.

Just... why would people do that?
If someone enjoys DPS and doesn't enjoy tanking/healing, doing the latter defeats their purpose of playing the game in the first place. They're better off passing the queue time with other means rather than switching.
Tanks and healers have no reason to double their queuing efforts either, because it doesn't increase their enjoyment. They're better off just keeping up their current routine.

It's a systemic issue that needs a systemic solution, plain and simple. Asking either party to please "make it work" is fruitless and a pointless blame debate because it's just two equally selfish groups flinging feces at each other going:"No U!". Or more commonly it's just tanks/healers flinging feces at DPS.
Either way I consider that beneath me.

Systemic solutions aren't hard to find either - Opening up DPS slots for the most part only requires additional mob HP to work, allowing non-trinity comps is as simple as replacing un-avoidable abilities with avoidable ones or putting up a damage down/regen effect like in solo duties. Both can be scripted.
Making Tanks/Healers more "fun" is a technical solution, but not a practical one, because the people you'd need to make them more fun for are DPS players, which means converting them to a more DPS focused playstyle which comes at the cost of core tank/healer players.

The main barrier is politics, much like in real life. Just because you can make everyone better off doesn't mean it's not going to be met with resistance because "muh status quo". Such is life.

[Sieben79]

first off i played wow for years now im trying this out and im faced with 30min+ qus to get in a dungeon which iv been spamming main story quest so im unlocking new ones fast and the w8 time is just a joke i remember wow had this problem and they gave tanks/healers a reward giving them a reason to qu up and that made the dps life so much better.
as a new player this is annoying and frustrating and i think this will turn new players off playing something needs to be done

The reward for tanks/healers or currently needed jobs is there.

For me: I leveled all my tanks and healers and now I'm leveling some DD and use the DR for them. So currently, there is no chance that I'll participate as tank or healer in DR.

I think I'm not alone with this but yeah, queue times are long

Maybe it would help to give the cracked cluster also to 50/60 and mainscenario, because queue times are always 25+ minutes.

[Leigaon]

The hard part is finding a reward in this system that would allow them to jump in more.

In our current system there's little reason to go into these roulette after you've geared yourself. If you're a tank by the time you get to 70, and run things a few times mixed with Omega, you're pretty much geared. After that it's all about doing the EX trails for weapons and minor enhancements.

These cracked clusters are nice, but unless you're trying to push the numbers they aren't needed. They don't make things noticeably better unless you over stack and look at your numbers. This, to me, is the flaw with so much vertical progression and lack of customization. Once I'm leveled and geared properly there's no reason for me to do Leveling Roulette.

By the time we gear up and mess around, it's already talks about patch X.X, we know new gear is coming, new iLV.

Also, if you are tanking or healing, you get one of these lower level dungeons they are so much longer than HW or SB. This, also to me, shows we need a QoL adjustment to dungeons. Such as Sastasha, that can be shorten down or clipped off.

[Maero]

Well granted SE keep always adding more dps jobs...
It may not change the fact or maybe just maybe players are bored of the current healers and tanks? One cannot say i guess
I suppose we will see next expansion IF we get new healer and tank job sometime from now

Btw i agree with you 100% Zojha, myself rarely do i tank or heal just with randoms i much prefer to wait until friends are around but also much prefer to dps

I have no clue how far the implementation of the squads is going, but maybe perhaps story dungeons and what not that are needed to progress we can just go in with them. Waiting hrs just for a story dungeon is not my idea of fun...

[Astral145]

There is a simple solution. 1 tank, 1 healer, 3 dps for all dungeons... increase gear drops for what roles is in the group... problem solved. 5 or 6 player dungeons would really go a long way with decreasing queue times.

[Xtrasweettea]

There is a simple solution. 1 tank, 1 healer, 3 dps for all dungeons... increase gear drops for what roles is in the group... problem solved. 5 or 6 player dungeons would really go a long way with decreasing queue times.

The solution is "simple" but it will only provide temporary relief.

DPS queues will shorten, but as as soon as the first Tank or Healer realizes the DPS queue is tolerable enough for them, they will switch to DPS. So not only did you gain a DPS in queue, you lost a Tank or Healer that the short DPS queues are reliant upon. Eventually, enough Tanks and Healers will become DPS and we will be right back where we started.

This solution might provide relief for a whole day if we are lucky.

[Astral145]

The solution is "simple" but it will only provide temporary relief.

DPS queues will shorten, but as as soon as the first Tank or Healer realizes the DPS queue is tolerable enough for them, they will switch to DPS. So not only did you gain a DPS in queue, you lost a Tank or Healer that the short DPS queues are reliant upon. Eventually, enough Tanks and Healers will become DPS and we will be right back where we started.

This solution might provide relief for a whole day if we are lucky.

The queue times would be reduce to 15 to 20 mins on average so no tanks/healers will not jump ship like you think. Tanks and healers on average get instant to 5 min queue times...

So yea 1 tank 1 healer and 3 dps would be the best option for this issue