Just another thread asking for in-game parsing for ps4 users

[HyoMinPark]

SE will NEVER, EVER, EVER endorse that kind of thought process. EVER.

SE cannot force a particular playstyle upon the playerbase as a whole. They don't endorse or condone things like harassment, but they can't force players to adhere to a singular playstyle (e.g., forcing players to carry bad or lazy players). You don't like the removal of the weakest link playstyle, and that's fine. I prefer to work on improvement unless it's obvious there is nothing that can be done to improve performance, and at that point, you have to remove the problem if you ever hope to progress. Ultimately, however, whatever SE "condones" or "doesn't condone" has zero baring on how the community plays this game.

Don't like Min-maxing Mentality? Don't do it, and don't hang around people who do. Don't like to carry people? Then don't. Want to coddle people and their feelings, and not remove them from a group even though they're hindering progression? You do you. No one will force you to not carry people, or to parse. But you also cannot force other players to carry, or to not parse just because you don't like it.

Whether this was your point or premise in your post, I have no idea. Since it was so incredibly vague and not in any way constructive/contributing to the discussion at hand at all. Though, I am curious as to where you saw that I said SE does condone (and should condone) the playstyle of myself or others who are "pro-parser." That inference is lost on me.

[AlexionSkylark]

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The point and premise of my post is that there won't EVER be an official in-game parser in this game that lets you see how others in your party are performing. The game is meant to be inclusive, not exclusive. They have a clear stance on that kind of behavior, which is exactly why they adopt this "don't ask, don't tell" policy. They want us to keep our performance to ourselves, or tight-knit static groups at most (possibly because then it is impossible to control). Other than that, it is not nor will never be OK to shun, kick from party or badmouth fellow players for reasons of performance.

SE, Yoshi-P and the devs as a whole take the official stance that they are AGAINST this behavior of "removing weakest links". Based on all official responses given to this parser subject, that is tantamount to harassment. So you and everyone else can quite surely give up hoping they will ever provide an official way of judging your fellow party member's performance. Again, SE won't ever, EVER, EVER endorse this thought process (by providing an in-game tool to be used for that purpose). This entire discussion is pointless and will ammount to absolutely nothing. As all others that came before.

I hope I made myself clear now.

[DRHaymaker]

The point and premise of my post is that there won't EVER be an official in-game parser in this game that lets you see how others in your party are performing.

An official SE branded parser? No, Probably not. Will there be tools available that allow for ingame parsers? Far more likely.

The game is meant to be inclusive, not exclusive.

Again, you're arguing a social problem, not with any mechanics of the game. There are plenty of things in game like "Duty Completed" that fosters an exclusive attitude, and "Bonus shaming" as a form of toxicity. Even the most casual of raiders who mostly PuG raids experiences this at some point, and condones it by staying silent - the same kind of thing that you would fear happen if parsers were allowed in any official capacity.

They want us to keep our performance to ourselves, or tight-knit static groups at most (possibly because then it is impossible to control). Other than that, it is not nor will never be OK to shun, kick from party or badmouth fellow players for reasons of performance.

Well it is a multiplayer game - you can't keep performance to yourself in any group. Sometimes it's super evident when you're not performing (bard crit buff for example), and you can't keep that to yourself. Also again, you can be kicked for "play style differences" - players are wholly within their right to do that.

Based on all official responses given to this parser subject, that is tantamount to harassment.

Everyone is so quick to self-victimize and cry harassment these days. Call me cynical to not buy into their victimhood at face value.

Again, SE won't ever, EVER, EVER endorse this thought process (by providing an in-game tool to be used for that purpose).

If SE ever does stay true to their word and gives the tools for people to create addons, they will.

This entire discussion is pointless and will ammount to absolutely nothing. As all others that came before.

Most discussions on this board are pointless - but you're not here for a discussion, you're here to repeat your diatribe and shout over people's heads. That is truly pointless.

[AlexionSkylark]

If SE ever does stay true to their word and gives the tools for people to create addons, they will..

What are you talking about? Yoshi-P already stated multiple times that he will never allow for addons in FFXIV

[DRHaymaker]

What are you talking about? Yoshi-P already stated multiple times that he will never allow for addons in FFXIV

Citation needed - the only thing I find is they're silent on the subject.

[LaylaTsarra]

Citation needed - the only thing I find is they're silent on the subject.

https://clips.twitch.tv/EmpathicBlazingLasagnaThunBeast

[DRHaymaker]

Ok... how about a more useful clip. Also addons aren't limited to parsers.

[akaneakki]

https://clips.twitch.tv/EmpathicBlazingLasagnaThunBeast

Personal parser Also do you really think add on is just parser? It could be something else too you know? Or is it stuck in everyones head that ''add on = parser''? Instead of showing that clip everytime, what about listening to the question the guy says and many also said could be a thing in the game to improve themselves. A personal parser. Not like I fully agree with it, but a step in the right direction.

[Selova]

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It's pretty naive to believe that they won't budge on their current stance regarding parsers and add-on's. MMO's are in a constant state of evolution, the ones that can't keep up are left in the dust FFXIV isn't without exception to this. They are already doing system upgrades and updates to features that are common place in most mmo's in this day and age, add-on's and by extension parsers are a inevitability at this rate. You can stay in your little bubble and make claims that they won't ever budge on their stance and won't implement X feature, but displaying that mentality and stubborness is only proof of your naivety, It's against the very nature of MMO's and how they evolve. There is no such thing as "never" when it comes to MMO's.

[AlexionSkylark]

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Perhaps you're right, and lack of an official parser don't make such behavior non-existant. However, HAVING an in-game parser will only make it more widespread and it'll quickly become the norm, just as it happened on WoW and pretty much every other game where parsing addons were 100% legan and not againsyt ToS. And then everybody who is not capable to perform above an arbitrary level of performance set by the community's zeitgeist will be shunned, left out and kicked from EVERY party - from daily roulettes to savage statics. EVERYBODY will be EXPECTED to min/max their characters to oblivion and back, regardless of how casual they are or if that level of performance being demanded from each and every player is actually needed to clear said content.

And no, I'm not being a doomsayer. I'm telling you exactly how things are now and were for years in World of Warcraft. in RIFT. In Wildstar. In pretty much every MMO that dared to add addon support.

People in general, and specially MMO players, are an egotistical, individualist bunch under a very big and heavy blanket of internet anonimity. They only care about their own needs, their own progression, their own items, that they crave for their own bragging rights. This very topic is living proof of that. So yeah, SE knows exactly the kind of leash this community needs to hold that behavior in check. And they will not offer to anyone an officially-endorsed way of practicing that. Your statement about how people are already judging and kicking people due to performance reasons even without addons is a very strong indication that they won't indeed ever implement an official parser that'll make the problem even worse.

You may think that parsers are an evolution of MMOs, when all they did was making the community more toxic and less casual-friendly. Which is the OPPOSITE direction they are going for with FFXIV since ARR's inception. The only way parsers will be implemented is if they pull a Star Wars Galaxies on us, which is something extremely unlikely. But by all means, you're free to cling on to your hope. We can talk again in a couple of years, and then a couple of years more.