Just another thread asking for in-game parsing for ps4 users

[Beatrice]

I don't think SE will ever change their stance on parsers because of the "Koike Incident".

A female player and celebrity named Miyu Koike, who also happened to be the host for FFXIV’s official Nico Nico channel show, had an incident she attempted to recruit 7 other players to play with her (this was broadcasted live at that time).

Abyss of Darkness, a world 3rd Japanese group for Final Coil clear then sneaked into the party (6 of them), streaming themselves through an unofficial channel and then made fun of Koike through slanders, spinning the boss around, and made fun of her DPS performance. Worse, Koike was also sexually harassed when the party disbands.

This prompted the Japanese community to punish the group sending hundreds of naked Roegadyns (Hageruga Matsuri, see below). As a result, these trolls ended up changing their names, servers, deleted their Twitter accounts, issued a non sincere apology through their Nicovideo live broadcast (which further angered the community).

Finally the group ended up a temporary ban given by the lead community representive, Foxclon himself.

So for people saying, "Oh the whiners are too afraid to find out how bad they are!", think again. I wish we could have an official parsing tool myself because I want to know how well/bad I'm doing! But I 100% understand why SE has banned them after reading that story.

[NinjaTaru72]

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Let's see first, not sure what a "stat weight is" all and while my sch is(was) my main I stopped lvling it at 64 and took Sam up to 70....ive never once watched a YouTube video on any single fight in this game, or on anything involving guides mechanics or skills. And I never will. I prefer to learn it in battle rather than watching someone play. And no, I don't pay attention so damage in raids. I don't do savage, I do duty finder, and Currently I'm a dps. I dodge every attack I can see coming, don't stand in apes, and do mechanics once I learn them.

As for openers... I do wht I feel works best. And so far it seems to go well.

As for melding? I have like... 2 direct hit so far on my Sam gear. That's about it. That's just for om checking a random Sam. Is it the best? Dunno.



Also, no idea Who dervy is. But you say guide makers so I assume he's someone you consider "important."

I'm sorry in not some elitist mud stick, but I prefer to learn myself and have fun doing things as they come and adapting to them. So far I've passed all content I've done. So no parser needed, no guides needed, nothing needed. Just play and have fun.

I'm sorry my stance in things seems to make you u so mad, but that's how I feel.

[Taika]

Let's see first, not sure what a "stat weight is" all and while my sch is(was) my main I stopped lvling it at 64 and took Sam up to 70....ive never once watched a YouTube video on any single fight in this game, or on anything involving guides mechanics or skills.

In other words, you have no experience or knowledge whatsoever related to playing this game at the level the question of parsers concerns (content excluded from Duty Finder), and your only contribution is actively harassing players who you think might be using one.

[NinjaTaru72]

In other words, you have no experience or knowledge whatsoever related to playing this game at the level the question of parsers concerns (content excluded from Duty Finder), and your only contribution is actively harassing players who you think might be using one.

Please, people use parsers even in normal dungeons in df. Lol.

As for a static? Nope. I don't.

Doesn't mean I haven't seen players outside in normal df dungeons and such mention stupid stuff that makes them highly likely to have been using a parser.

[HyoMinPark]

A very tired edit incoming

Let's see first, not sure what a "stat weight is"

Stat weights are numerical values that are achieved through repeated testing--hours and hours of beating on dummies using parsers to try and figure out which stats best benefit which job. For example, in Heavensward, the stat weight of Critical Hit rate for BRD was 0.366, followed by Skill Speed at 0.233, and Determination at 0.215. Rather than go off on a bunch of number talk, basically what this said was that BRDs wanted to stack as much Crit as possible, followed by Skill Speed, and then Determination when making BiS gearsets and melding said gear. Very important for maximizing damage output. This data would not be available if it weren't for parsers.

Same thing for optimal rotations. Even if you aren't doing Savage, I don't know why you would not want to just look at a guide for SAM openers, considering there are 2 different ones that are considered viable: 1-sen opener and 3-sen opener. Hours upon hours of beating on dummies and parsing different rotations to find the one what was the best in terms of burst and outgoing damage. Again, wouldn't be available without parsers.

But all people who use parsers are bad, and jump at the chance to use it as a tool to harass unsuspecting players in DF runs?

ive never once watched a YouTube video on any single fight in this game, or on anything involving guides mechanics or skills. And I never will. I prefer to learn it in battle rather than watching someone play. And no, I don't pay attention so damage in raids. I don't do savage, I do duty finder, and Currently I'm a dps. I dodge every attack I can see coming, don't stand in apes, and do mechanics once I learn them.

As for openers... I do wht I feel works best. And so far it seems to go well.

As for melding? I have like... 2 direct hit so far on my Sam gear. That's about it. That's just for om checking a random Sam. Is it the best? Dunno.

While none of this is extremely important since you have zero plans to go into Savage or other Extreme content (which, like I said in my first post in this thread, you shouldn't go into that type of content anyways because multiple players in your parties are guaranteed to be using a parser, whether you like it or not), it still baffles me that you have no desire to read guides to improve your own performance. You honestly have no way of knowing if your current rotation or opener is even optimal; such determinations would require dummy parses or parses from duties, but you're completely against that.

DF doesn't require min-maxing at all, but still. I don't see why people are content to just play lazily. I'm not saying you're expected to be 95th percentile (which, no one bothers with uploading logs for dungeons anyways because they're so faceroll-easy there's no point, even if people do have parsers running during them), but to have no desire to look further into self-improvement? Just baffles me.

Also, no idea Who dervy is. But you say guide makers so I assume he's someone you consider "important."

He did a lot of the theorycrafting for stat weights back in Heavensward. So yeah, for people that actively seek to min-max and improve themselves, he is a very important figure. He has no reason to spend hours upon hours figuring out things such as stat weights, but he does anyways. As far as I'm aware, he doesn't get any sort of compensation for his theorycrafting, nor do any of the players that put together job guides and advanced job guides/theorycrafting guides.

But yes. Parsers and everyone who uses them are bad people.


Tl;dr -- Not everyone who uses parsers are bad people that enjoy screaming at others in duties who are performing suboptimally. Parsers are extremely useful tools for self-improvement and theorycrafting, whether you want to see that or not. Stop blaming the tool just because a few people use it for the wrong reasons.

Also, seeing your edit: not everyone who seeks to improve themselves/min-max their main jobs are "mud stick elitists."

[NinjaTaru72]

While some people may use it "for good" more games than not it's seemed to be a cause for issue. I just wish SE would make up their mind...the whole "don't ask/tell" thing is annoyign imo. Either fully disallow it and ban people, or allow it and say that's that.

I think something that would make a settlement between both parts (from my perspective) would be to make a world dedicated to people who want to use/have parsers used on them.

Wanna parse you and/or others? Transfer to this world(or even 2 or 3 worlds depending on population.

Allow it there. And only have party finder/duty finder work for that world(s) . That way parsers can stay in there little area, and non parsers can be in our area. Lol.

It's about the best solution for both groups imo

[HyoMinPark]

While some people may use it "for good" more games than not it's seemed to be a cause for issue. I just wish SE would make up their mind...the whole "don't ask/tell" thing is annoyign imo. Either fully disallow it and ban people, or allow it and say that's that.

I think something that would make a settlement between both parts (from my perspective) would be to make a world dedicated to people who want to use/have parsers used on them.

Wanna parse you and/or others? Transfer to this world(or even 2 or 3 worlds depending on population.

Allow it there. And only have party finder/duty finder work for that world(s) . That way parsers can stay in there little area, and non parsers can be in our area. Lol.

It's about the best solution for both groups imo

By the same logic, anyone else could suggest that all players like yourself who blindly report people for "suspected parsing" or "checking numbers" to have their own little world, Duty Finder, and Party Finder so that the people who want to use parsers (privately and publicly in a positive way) can do so without worrying about players blindly reporting them. Or even players who aren't parsing at all but get reported just because they're "suspicious enough to seem like they're checking numbers."

Honestly, you talk about how parser users are so elitist and toxic. Have you read any of your own posts?

[NinjaTaru72]

@hyominpark

I prefer to learn improving on my own. I find it more fun than following some guys guide. For me that takes the fun of learning out.aybe I'm no the top of the top, but at least I'm enjoying the game, and getting past all the content I do.

[NinjaTaru72]

By the same logic, anyone else could suggest that all players like yourself who blindly report people for "suspected parsing" or "checking numbers" to have their own little world, Duty Finder, and Party Finder so that the people who want to use parsers (privately and publicly in a positive way) can do so without worrying about players blindly reporting them. Or even players who aren't parsing at all but get reported just because they're "suspicious enough to seem like they're checking numbers."

Honestly, you talk about how parser users are so elitist and toxic. Have you read any of your own posts?

I'd be OK with that, a world(s) for People that don't wanna worry about being parsed. Either way, we'd at least be separated.

[Beatrice]

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Ehhh, this sounds like a bad idea. I think they should just allow parsers, period. And anyone who uses the parsing information to harass other players should get banned for the first offense. Permanently. Make the punishment so... well, punishing that the trolls will think twice before deciding to harass the heck outta someone for low DPS.

To be honest, I'm not sure why they haven't done just that, even with the incident I posted above. Maybe they see it as too much work due to the fact it could create an influx of bogus harassment reports even if someone politely criticizes their DPS based on the parser. SE would look really bad if they issued perma-bans to people who weren't being trollish with their advice. I get the impression that the community at large has a difficult time taking criticism even when it's kindly worded.