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    Quote Originally Posted by akaneakki View Post
    I see more people get carried. Whats your opinion on that?
    I think as long as you're trying your best its fine. I also thinks it's bad if people don't take advice on things.

    I don't approve of just standing around doing nothing, I votekick those people.

    There's a major difference between not doing anything and trying your best and underperforming in comparison to what is the best your class can do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleSparrow View Post
    I think as long as you're trying your best its fine. I also thinks it's bad if people don't take advice on things.

    I don't approve of just standing around doing nothing, I votekick those people.

    There's a major difference between not doing anything and trying your best and underperforming in comparison to what is the best your class can do.
    So what if, in a PF clear party, one guy is trying his best but is not nearly enough and his DPS is like, 50% the average DPS for his job? The party is hitting enrage constantly.

    I that case, what the party should do?

    -Keep trying because he is "doing his best" (we both know that is not true, because if he was really doing his best he would be looking for optimal rotations and stuff)
    -Kicking him from the party because his DPS is too low and the boss is hitting enrage.
    -Tell him his DPS is low and take the risk of being reported for harassment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inuk9 View Post
    So what if, in a PF clear party, one guy is trying his best but is not nearly enough and his DPS is like, 50% the average DPS for his job? The party is hitting enrage constantly.

    I that case, what the party should do?

    -Keep trying because he is "doing his best" (we both know that is not true, because if he was really doing his best he would be looking for optimal rotations and stuff)
    -Kicking him from the party because his DPS is too low and the boss is hitting enrage.
    -Tell him his DPS is low and take the risk of being reported for harassment.
    doing an optimal rotation while doing mechanics is kinda different than just doing an optimal rotation, but Im 100 percent for parses but with having to keep 4k pluss dps in save thats not all that easy. So know wouldnt kick that person , but hope they would take it upon themsleves to figure out what can be done better
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    doing an optimal rotation while doing mechanics is kinda different than just doing an optimal rotation, but Im 100 percent for parses but with having to keep 4k pluss dps in save thats not all that easy. So know wouldnt kick that person , but hope they would take it upon themsleves to figure out what can be done better
    4k dps is a top DPS. I said clearly 50% the average. Let's say the average DPS for ninjas is 3k dps in susano extreme and this one guys is doing 1,5k at maximum.

    Yeah sure, people can get better, but I really doubt one guy will jump from 1,5 to 3 in a couple of pulls without do some reading or watching some tutorials, so...good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inuk9 View Post
    4k dps is a top DPS. I said clearly 50% the average. Let's say the average DPS for ninjas is 3k dps in susano extreme and this one guys is doing 1,5k at maximum.

    Yeah sure, people can get better, but I really doubt one guy will jump from 1,5 to 3 in a couple of pulls without do some reading or watching some tutorials, so...good luck.
    I meant outside the fight, like if u know ur the one holding the group back like reallly really holding them back u should gracefuully withdraw, I think more people than we think can actually take crtitize based on performance. But I think the biggest issue really is the fact that there is no parse in this game, like its a huge issue why im lookin for pcs again myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    I meant outside the fight, like if u know ur the one holding the group back like reallly really holding them back u should gracefuully withdraw, I think more people than we think can actually take crtitize based on performance. But I think the biggest issue really is the fact that there is no parse in this game, like its a huge issue why im lookin for pcs again myself.
    and that's another great point that has been brought up many times on why our community average skill level is so low, most are completely ignorant of their performance and given how dps intensive are our fight most dps could be getting carried and not know. Also you overstimate our generation ability to get offended for nothing and lack of respect for someone to gracefully withdraw themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleSparrow View Post
    I think as long as you're trying your best its fine. I also thinks it's bad if people don't take advice on things. .
    So as long they trying their best but you or others actually know it's that they don't perform well enough, causing enrage on a boss fight is fine? To me it sounds like its unfair for 7 people to be held back because of 1 guy.
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