Just another thread asking for in-game parsing for ps4 users

[DRHaymaker]

What are you talking about? Yoshi-P already stated multiple times that he will never allow for addons in FFXIV

Citation needed - the only thing I find is they're silent on the subject.

[LaylaTsarra]

Citation needed - the only thing I find is they're silent on the subject.

https://clips.twitch.tv/EmpathicBlazingLasagnaThunBeast

[DRHaymaker]

Ok... how about a more useful clip. Also addons aren't limited to parsers.

[Altena]

Other than that, it is not nor will never be OK to shun, kick from party or badmouth fellow players for reasons of performance.
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Look, with or without parsers - harassment happens based on performance whether you like it or not.
A knowledgeable enough player doesn't need a parser to notice who isn't doing that well.
As said, the people that genuinely harass other people are just toxic people, and you don't need a parser to be a toxic person.


What's the difference between:
"Your damage is weak. Learn your job."
and
"You're only doing 2.5k when you should be at least over 3.5k".

If you ask me, the 2nd statement is actually a bit kinder.

Anyway to the main point..
It's a team game.
If one person is holding 7 other people back from clearing, it's absolutely acceptable that the person holding the group back, bows out. If not on their own account, then the leader has the right to remove them. Just like the leader has the right to remove someone because they don't like someone's attitude.. It's the party leader's choice in a party finder group.

Want to know why people get silently kicked? Because telling them the reason can be construed as harassment, and there are a lot of spiteful snowflakes in the world that can't take criticism - especially in the current generation.
Why should players who have been farming content for weeks (as an example), be held back or carry someone through the content that just isn't up to scratch with their performance?
I am an inclusive person, but I will feel a little frustrated if the party can't clear because one player fails to understand that they aren't performing well.
However, and here's the kicker - telling them (even with the most angelic sentence possible) will inevitably be considered "harassment".

Perhaps a parser may actually be able to show them how far behind their performance actually is - so they can you know... work to improve and beat the content on their own regard?
Just food for thought.

[CosmicKirby]

> "Adding Parsers will just lead to people ONLY abusing them, and flat out kicking and blacklisting them for not performing!"
> "No it won't. Everyone won't do that."
> "OH, SO NOW YOU'RE USING ABSOLUTES HUH?"

Like, my goodness.

Also this game isn't inclusive. It requires several hundred hours investment, potentially several hundred dollars, and has some content locked behind stunningly large commitment walls. Inclusivity, scarcity, and feeling special is an INTRINSIC DRAW of the genre. It's basically the only 'unique' thing it offers, besides being 'massively multiplayer."

[Selova]

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It's pretty naive to believe that they won't budge on their current stance regarding parsers and add-on's. MMO's are in a constant state of evolution, the ones that can't keep up are left in the dust FFXIV isn't without exception to this. They are already doing system upgrades and updates to features that are common place in most mmo's in this day and age, add-on's and by extension parsers are a inevitability at this rate. You can stay in your little bubble and make claims that they won't ever budge on their stance and won't implement X feature, but displaying that mentality and stubborness is only proof of your naivety, It's against the very nature of MMO's and how they evolve. There is no such thing as "never" when it comes to MMO's.

[AlexionSkylark]

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Perhaps you're right, and lack of an official parser don't make such behavior non-existant. However, HAVING an in-game parser will only make it more widespread and it'll quickly become the norm, just as it happened on WoW and pretty much every other game where parsing addons were 100% legan and not againsyt ToS. And then everybody who is not capable to perform above an arbitrary level of performance set by the community's zeitgeist will be shunned, left out and kicked from EVERY party - from daily roulettes to savage statics. EVERYBODY will be EXPECTED to min/max their characters to oblivion and back, regardless of how casual they are or if that level of performance being demanded from each and every player is actually needed to clear said content.

And no, I'm not being a doomsayer. I'm telling you exactly how things are now and were for years in World of Warcraft. in RIFT. In Wildstar. In pretty much every MMO that dared to add addon support.

People in general, and specially MMO players, are an egotistical, individualist bunch under a very big and heavy blanket of internet anonimity. They only care about their own needs, their own progression, their own items, that they crave for their own bragging rights. This very topic is living proof of that. So yeah, SE knows exactly the kind of leash this community needs to hold that behavior in check. And they will not offer to anyone an officially-endorsed way of practicing that. Your statement about how people are already judging and kicking people due to performance reasons even without addons is a very strong indication that they won't indeed ever implement an official parser that'll make the problem even worse.

You may think that parsers are an evolution of MMOs, when all they did was making the community more toxic and less casual-friendly. Which is the OPPOSITE direction they are going for with FFXIV since ARR's inception. The only way parsers will be implemented is if they pull a Star Wars Galaxies on us, which is something extremely unlikely. But by all means, you're free to cling on to your hope. We can talk again in a couple of years, and then a couple of years more.

[DRHaymaker]

And no, I'm not being a doomsayer.

You're right - doomsayers usually have some sort of prophetic book they use to support their doomsaying. You're just parroting yourself over and over and conveniently avoiding the things you can't answer. If you think FFXIV is this pristine social bubble that is only threatened by parsers, then you must be new to the internet.

Still waiting for that citation buddy, hopefully you'll post it by the time the sun rises.

[Rita1989]

Perhaps you're right, and lack of an official parser don't make such behavior non-existant. However, HAVING an in-game parser will only make it more widespread and it'll quickly become the norm, just as it happened on WoW and pretty much every other game where parsing addons were 100% legan and not againsyt ToS. And then everybody who is not capable to perform above an arbitrary level of performance set by the community's zeitgeist will be shunned, left out and kicked from EVERY party - from daily roulettes to savage statics. EVERYBODY will be EXPECTED to min/max their characters to oblivion and back, regardless of how casual they are or if that level of performance being demanded from each and every player is actually needed to clear said content.

The people that want to act that way already do regardless of an official parser, just because you add a parser is not going to make the majority of players suddenly turn into jerks like you think.

I played WoW for years and its not nearly as bad as you make it out to be, there were a few more jerks but I think that had to do with the game having a more younger player base rather then parsers and in casual content is was very rare to see people calling out your dps most people dont care like ffxiv unless its extremely bad and in that case I don't mind it being called out as long as its healthy criticism.

I wouldn't mind if they would be at least be willing to test it out with a personal one and see what happens I don't think it will change the game very much.

[akaneakki]

https://clips.twitch.tv/EmpathicBlazingLasagnaThunBeast

Personal parser Also do you really think add on is just parser? It could be something else too you know? Or is it stuck in everyones head that ''add on = parser''? Instead of showing that clip everytime, what about listening to the question the guy says and many also said could be a thing in the game to improve themselves. A personal parser. Not like I fully agree with it, but a step in the right direction.