Just another thread asking for in-game parsing for ps4 users

[BillyKaplan]

Very few people actively harass other players over parses in general content outside of Savage and statics--where parsers and parses actually matter.

How pure and untainted your gaming experience has been in this game, sweet summer child of mine.

What you're doing--blindly reporting people on a "suspicion" that they are parsing when you can't even prove as such--is no different and no better than the few and far between individuals that harass other players via parsers.

What exactly do you people think they're reporting it based on? Scent? Direction of wind? The stars' alignment? Those people most likely were careless enough to say something incriminating, and most of those cases tend to be towards unwarranted criticism if not outright harassment.

How about a personal parser? Only tracks your own performance. You can talk numbers if you wanna in party chat and in the forums and that's how you can tell how you're doing, but it can't be used as a weapon against other users because unless they tell you, you have no way of knowing their numbers (assuming you're only using the legitimate means provided by SE).

[HyoMinPark]

How pure and untainted your gaming experience has been in this game, sweet summer child of mine.

Hard to take anyone seriously when they start tossing around memes, but I have met my fair share of jerks in this game. With regards to parsers, I have reported ONE individual who actively harassed another player based on a parse, and it was during a Zurvan Ex farm back in 3.55b. One person. In nearly 2 years of playing this game. But yes, LOADS of people harass players over parses.

What exactly do you people think they're reporting it based on? Scent? Direction of wind? The stars' alignment? Those people most likely were careless enough to say something incriminating, and most of those cases tend to be towards unwarranted criticism if not outright harassment.

Perhaps you should read this individual's first post regarding those they report:

Everyone everywhere does not have a parser. I know I don't not does my girlfriend. Mater of fact, while I don't mind criticism, if anyone says anything that makes it sound like there's even a a tiny chance of them having a parser and/or using it on a run I'm on I report them. That crap doesn't need to be here and it's annoying enough knowing people still use them.

[MyaValentine]

Sorry if I give bad reports, but it is what it is. Parsers are. Against the rules. All it leads to is people harassing others. Yeah, some may not say anything, but alone of people do.

If the Devs are fine with it themselves I don't know who you think you are to judge it any harsher , in fact probably all those reports you might have/not send didn't lead to a single ban wasting the modders time that have to watch your useless reports.

I've been playing this game for 4 years and I've done everysingle content on the game currently on V3s Have yet to see someone get harassed because of their dps numbers, you and all the anti-parsing crowd with your anecdotal proofs of something that happened that one time are a sore tired thumb repeating the same tale to the point is starting to morph into lies. Also the exeption doesn't make the rule because you saw that 1 guy on that one dungeon being toxic, doesn't matter if he had parser or not that doesn't mean everyone with a parser use them solely for harassment.

In fact I've seen people getting more help from parsers than harassed and more people with the same entitle actitude you carry being more toxic than people with parsers they are accusing in-game and here in the forums.

[Taika]

I've been playing this game for 4 years and I've done everysingle content on the game currently on V3s Have yet to see someone get harassed because of their dps numbers

I have seen 2 people being complained to about their DPS numbers in DF party chat, and kicked as result. The funny thing about it: in both cases the person doing the complaining and kicking was actually doing less DPS than the people they were complaining about. But because we can't talk about parsers openly, no one could defend the people who were unfairly accused, and the kicks went through.

[NinjaTaru72]

Sorry if it made it sound overboard, but No I don't "blindly report everyone" I said they have to say anything that makes it sound like they do. Basically they have to say something to someone(s) in the party that makes it sound like they are checking numbers.


I should also properly state my stance a bit more.


I would not be against them adding something for you to see *your own specific numbers*

But you should not be able to have/use anything that shows everyones.


Thats what bothers me, and what leads to the people harassing others.

If they had something that let you see your numbers and not others then sure, fine.

[MyaValentine]

I have seen 2 people being complained to about their DPS numbers in DF party chat, and kicked as result. The funny thing about it: in both cases the person doing the complaining and kicking was actually doing less DPS than the people they were complaining about. But because we can't talk about parsers openly, no one could defend the people who were unfairly accused, and the kicks went through.

my old fc members told me that a lot, apparently that situation happens more often that it should. The worst I've seen with parsers are a couple of players bragging about their numbers on alexander normal back in 3.x no one got offended infact everyone laught it off how he was claiming to carry us. outside of that I've seen more party disband in 2.x and 3.x because they did not have enough dps to clear extreme primals. 4.0 so far I've actually had a fair amount of good players so far.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Everyone everywhere does not have a parser. I know I don't not does my girlfriend. Mater of fact, while I don't mind criticism, if anyone says anything that makes it sound like there's even a a tiny chance of them having a parser and/or using it on a run I'm on I report them. That crap doesn't need to be here and it's annoying enough knowing people still use them.

Yes, because someone using a tool to help benefit the group or just themselves is such a terrible thing. Either way, I'd stay out of Savage or EXs if you feel that way. It's very unlikely you aren't being parsed.

But you should not be able to have/use anything that shows everyones.

Thats what bothers me, and what leads to the people harassing others.

It's only harassment if they attack someone. Just bringing up the fact a Samurai is pulling 2,600 DPS in V3S wouldn't be harassment but may be precisely why the group can't clear.

[akaneakki]

That crap doesn't need to be here and it's annoying enough knowing people still use them.

So let's say a person doesn't, that makes you break the rule and you just end up abusing the report button. So not only do you break the rules but also you report people for no reason because you have no proof.
You even gonna report people to try improve themselves? People who never said anything to you at all? People you just asume ''breaking'' the rules? This leads me to a question for you:

Maybe I'm a bit extreme about it? Absolutely.

So are you the type who also report people for using glamour you don't like? Because that's how extreme it sounds like. I honestly have no words for your type of behavior at all.

[MyaValentine]

Sorry if it made it sound overboard, but No I don't "blindly report everyone" I said they have to say anything that makes it sound like they do. Basically they have to say something to someone(s) in the party that makes it sound like they are checking numbers.

That's as blind as it gets buddy.

So me a ps4 player who can't access parser do a trial or dungeon that I've done 300 times and can see how long or how slow adds are dying and for some reason I have the need to say that the dps is slow you will report me because you assume I have parsers when infact I don't...

[HyoMinPark]

Sorry if it made it sound overboard, but No I don't "blindly report everyone" I said they have to say anything that makes it sound like they do. Basically they have to say something to someone(s) in the party that makes it sound like they are checking numbers.

You should still only report individuals that are actively harassing other players over numbers, not just because you think they're "checking numbers." It's one thing to report a player that says "So-and-so, you're only doing 1000 DPS in Susano Ex! God! You suck! Uninstall the game now, please!" and another to report a person who says "So-and-so, maybe you could try doing [insert advice here] to improve your damage output."

I should also properly state my stance a bit more.

I would not be against them adding something for you to see *your own specific numbers*

But you should not be able to have/use anything that shows everyones.

A lot of statics use parsers to analyze group performance. Sometimes it's the best way to see where a group is lacking, and where they need to pick up the slack/improve on so that they can progress/clear a tier. Limiting the scope of visibility to just personal DPS wouldn't necessarily be a good thing here.

Thats what bothers me, and what leads to the people harassing others.

People harass other players based on jobs they play, on glamours they use, on just about anything. Jerks will be jerks, parser or no parser. Don't blame the tool just because a few individuals use it for the wrong things. Some of the people who you have reported probably had all the best intentions, but you chose to see them and treat them negatively. That doesn't make you any better than people who harass over parses.