Just another thread asking for in-game parsing for ps4 users

[Taika]

I would not be against them adding something for you to see *your own specific numbers*

But you should not be able to have/use anything that shows everyones.


Thats what bothers me, and what leads to the people harassing others.

Let's take a hypothetical scenario of a random pug doing an Omega Savage floor. The fight has an enrage timer, so the party together has to reach a specific party DPS number to be able to clear it. Everyone else is pulling their weight, but there's 1 DD who is doing significantly less DPS than they should - and the whole party is failing because of that one person.

Now there are 3 possible scenarios that follow in this situation:

1) There is no official parser and talking about parses isn't allowed. The group has no way of knowing for certain why they keep wiping to enrage over and over and over (everyone is geared, seem to follow their rotation, and have beaten the dummy for the fight, no one is dying). The party ends up disbanding, confused and frustrated, all wondering if it was them or someone else who was holding the group back (because they're all PS4 players and can't know what was the reason for their failure).

2) There is an official parser, so the group can see right away who can't meet the enrage requirements. The party will politely inform the person that they're unfortunately preventing the group from winning and need some more practice with their rotation before joining a kill party. Or, better yet, the person will notice this themself and leave the party to get some more practice. The underperforming DD is replaced and the party will get their win.

3) There is an official parser, so the group can see right away who can't meet the enrage requirements. The party will immediately start belittling and harassing the player at fault, removing them from the party and calling them all kinds of awful names. This is considered harassment, and the party members doing it will get reported and punished.

Without official parser, only option 1 is possible (in theory, since in reality pretty much all groups already have at least 1 person parsing). With an official parser, both options 2 and 3 are possible, but option 3 is still not allowed in game.

As long as there are fights with an enrage timer, and each party member has to push certain amount of DPS so that the party can win a fight, parsers are needed. And, more specifically, group parsers are needed, to prevent scenario 1. This is why there should be an option to have an official group parser available for content such as extreme primals and Savage. It could be enabled or disabled with party finder, and players could choose if they wish to join a group that has one or a group that doesn't. This would not hurt anyone in any way (apart from players who would like to sneak in these parties without being able to contribute enough for the party to clear the fight).

[MyaValentine]

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you forgot situation.

0.5) No one has a parser so no one can tell who's doing what, so everyone start calling eachother names and claiming the party is trash, a waste of their time and/or simply leaves without saying a word wasting another 7 people times on reforming a new party since once 1 leaves it's a domino effect until 2 or 3 are left.

[Taika]

you forgot situation.

0.5) No one has a parser so no one can tell who's doing what, so everyone start calling eachother names and claiming the party is trash, a waste of their time and/or simply leaves without saying a word wasting another 7 people times on reforming a new party since once 1 leaves it's a domino effect until 2 or 3 are left.

Or, they kick the person who they're assuming to be the lowest DPS ("It must be the Machinist! I read somewhere their damage is bad!"), leaving the real weakest link in the party, and clear the fight with a new DD who just happens to be able to carry the weak one.

[Inuk9]

Why does ps4 users keep asking SE for a parser as if the developpers did give one for pc players ? In case you don't know, the pc parser is made by a third party, he isn't endorsed and wasn't made by SE.

This post makes no sense at all since we are asking for an ingame parse. Since it's a ingame feature both ps4 and pc users should be able to benefit from it, so what is the problem with the request exactly?

[Moonlite]

Says right in the thread title

OP is asking for a parser for PS4 as on that platform they don't have access to third parties

That are still illegal. Illegal is Illegal. This should say add Official parser. Which we all know the answer, don't we?

[MyaValentine]

This should say add Official parser.

Semantics.

Urban Dictionary:Semantics

-The main purpose for internet forums.
The study of discussing the meaning/interpretation of words or groups of words within a certain context; usually in order to win some form of argument.

Just realized I'm doing what I was exactly trying to avoid on my original post, damn you offcial forums. bye forever.

[Shihen]

Sorry if I give bad reports, but it is what it is. Parsers are. Against the rules. All it leads to is people harassing others.

Know what else is against the rules? Filing false reports. Know what else is harassment? Filing false reports. All you're doing is cherry picking which rules are ok to break to satisfy your personal distaste for parser use.

[Inuk9]

Sorry if it made it sound overboard, but No I don't "blindly report everyone" I said they have to say anything that makes it sound like they do. Basically they have to say something to someone(s) in the party that makes it sound like they are checking numbers.


I should also properly state my stance a bit more.


I would not be against them adding something for you to see *your own specific numbers*

But you should not be able to have/use anything that shows everyones.


Thats what bothers me, and what leads to the people harassing others.

If they had something that let you see your numbers and not others then sure, fine.

You are so afraid that someone can see how bad you are performing in a dungeon/raid that badly?

[NinjaTaru72]

You are so afraid that someone can see how bad you are performing in a dungeon/raid that badly?

Well (until stormblood) I ran sch and have never been kicked as far as I can think. And currently
I df the raids usually with 4 or 5 of my friends. and df dungeons also, but usually as rdm or Sam, and I've never had issue. But who knows, my dps may be good or bad. But I get things dead. I just don't think it's fair to anyone

[akaneakki]

just don't think it's fair to anyone

I agree, I think it's not fair to anyone to do 200% gameplay while one doesn't even bother, I mean why bother when someone does it for you?