Just another thread asking for in-game parsing for ps4 users

[Bourne_Endeavor]

While some people may use it "for good" more games than not it's seemed to be a cause for issue. I just wish SE would make up their mind...the whole "don't ask/tell" thing is annoyign imo. Either fully disallow it and ban people, or allow it and say that's that.

I think something that would make a settlement between both parts (from my perspective) would be to make a world dedicated to people who want to use/have parsers used on them.

Wanna parse you and/or others? Transfer to this world(or even 2 or 3 worlds depending on population.

Allow it there. And only have party finder/duty finder work for that world(s) . That way parsers can stay in there little area, and non parsers can be in our area. Lol.

It's about the best solution for both groups imo

This has to be among the most absurd overreactions to parses I've seen, which is a considerable feat. Who cares if someone runs ACT provided they aren't screaming profanities about your numbers. Honestly, you make it sound like you have something to hide and only want parses bannable because that way people won't see your poor performance. Whether that be the case or not, it is the impression you leave by overreaching to this extent. Demanding segregation because someone dares to use a tool is ridiculous. You have not a single shred of evidence supporting the notion people who parse are nothing more than jerks yet you've repeated spoken in absolutes. Have you even dealt with harassment from parse users? And no, being told you're not doing enough DPS isn't harassment. If you have, how often?

Regardless, Yoshida could come out tomorrow and ban parse usage. No one will care because they can't properly detect it. Even when the battle logs were changed, an update was done within a day to work around it.

[uvuvwevwevweonyetenyevweugwemu]

I get the impression that the community at large has a difficult time taking criticism even when it's kindly worded.

I suggest don't, atleast never do that in public. It goes both ways. If someone kindly follow the criticism out of courtesy, the bad experience stays
and most people (not gonna say mentors included too here) won't stop yammering like they're higher power. Having a builtin parser justifies that
attitude because they have a 'permanent' bad experience in parser logs. Just move on already.

[Tigerlilley]

Let's see first, not sure what a "stat weight is" all and while my sch is(was) my main I stopped lvling it at 64 and took Sam up to 70....ive never once watched a YouTube video on any single fight in this game, or on anything involving guides mechanics or skills. And I never will. I prefer to learn it in battle rather than watching someone play. And no, I don't pay attention so damage in raids. I don't do savage, I do duty finder, and Currently I'm a dps. I dodge every attack I can see coming, don't stand in apes, and do mechanics once I learn them.

In other words, you have no experience or knowledge whatsoever related to playing this game at the level the question of parsers concerns (content excluded from Duty Finder), and your only contribution is actively harassing players who you think might be using one.

When I made that post I was wondering if he'd come back with a "well yes, I DO keep my head in the sand and choose to have others who do learn/try to play optimally to carry me" in order to continue making his point.

Not disappointed, lol. It's one step off "you don't pay my sub".

As for openers... I do wht I feel works best. And so far it seems to go well.

You have no idea what goes well lmao. You have no idea "what works best". You literally are ignorant about this entire game, as you highlighted in your own post.

[Aquaslash]

Everyone everywhere does not have a parser. I know I don't not does my girlfriend. Mater of fact, while I don't mind criticism, if anyone says anything that makes it sound like there's even a a tiny chance of them having a parser and/or using it on a run I'm on I report them. That crap doesn't need to be here and it's annoying enough knowing people still use them.

You don't need a parser to know the DPS is bad. The fights are so scripted that you get a feel of how long a fight SHOULD take and if you are way off of your time then it's easy to see there's a DPS problem.

[Beatrice]

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I'm sorry dude, I can't make heads or tails of your comment or what you're trying to say. o_o Are you saying never to offer constructive criticism to people? What do you mean by people won't stop yammering? Someone who kindly offers constructive criticism, at least in my point of view, makes the critique heard once and that's it, whether the person follows their advice or not. If someone continues to needle the person, then it's not really constructive or kind criticism at that point.

On that note, I make a point not to ever make comments when I'm rolling with a Duty Finder group unless the group I'm with is chatty and we talk about fun stuff. Even when I notice DPS is slow, I just grin and bear it. Aquaslash has made a good point, when you get a feel for how fast EX Roulette dungeons should be going, you can tell without a parser that something is wrong.

[CaedemSanguis]

Please SE make my dream comes true, put a parser on ps4, amen ������������

[Altena]

Look, I am pro-parser, like everyone except the two (maybe three?) people I see in this thread.

There are a large number of benefits to knowing your own performance. I have literally never seen someone directly berate another player because of their DPS.
I see more people get harassed for under-performing by failing mechanics etc rather than anyone talking numbers.
This may be in part due to the hefty anti-harassment policy that SE run, however that policy wouldn't change as harassment is still against ToS.

I do however understand SE's stance on the matter, however I think it actually goes beyond the harassment issue (which I haven't personally experienced or seen myself).
I think a part of it is also for security reasons.. If they change their policy to "yes you are allowed parsers and you can talk about them" then they are basically accepting third party application use in some way - which opens them up to risk for malicious applications. Once they start saying yes to third party apps, it blurrs the lines between what is an accepted app and what is against ToS. The "no third party apps at all" policy is partly there to reduce their own risk for malicious attempts of their customer's computers, and to avoid blurring the lines between parsers and applications such as fully automated bots..

If its false I'm sorry, but oh well, I'd rather file a report against someone who could be using one and potentially abusing players.

Wow, just wow.

You're shouting the old saying "guilty until proven innocent".

Might as well report your best in-game friend, because they might be using one too.
Who knows right? I mean they haven't proven innocence.

Fun fact - in this case, you can only prove guilt, you can't prove innocence. So unless you have absolute grounds that someone is running a parser such as a screenshot of their desktop, then you're jumping the gun quite a bit there.

Start assuming innocence unless proven guilty - and instead, wait for actual harassment and report them on that instead.

While some people may use it "for good" more games than not it's seemed to be a cause for issue. I just wish SE would make up their mind...the whole "don't ask/tell" thing is annoyign imo. Either fully disallow it and ban people, or allow it and say that's that.

I think something that would make a settlement between both parts (from my perspective) would be to make a world dedicated to people who want to use/have parsers used on them.

Wanna parse you and/or others? Transfer to this world(or even 2 or 3 worlds depending on population.

Allow it there. And only have party finder/duty finder work for that world(s) . That way parsers can stay in there little area, and non parsers can be in our area. Lol.

It's about the best solution for both groups imo

Haha this is a hilarious "solution"...

You do realise that the "non-parser" worlds would be seemingly empty right?
I am going to be realistic here.. I know many more people who use and/or accept parsers as a beneficial tool, than those that despise / are against them.

Those that despise them are actually in a rather tiny minority among the community of players that I play with and run into.

If we weren't forced to tip toe around the topic in-game, I am sure you would find that there is only a tiny portion of the community that are against them.

[Isala]

You know, it's kinda sad how much this thread is making me miss the days when I played WoW. At least then I didn't have to worry about hurting someone's feelings, or getting suspended, for pointing out that the mage was doing less DPS than the healer. Heck, all I had to do was push a couple of buttons, and I could report the entire raid's DPS in party chat, and pretty much EVERYONE was okay with that. Not here though. Oh no. You can tell a tank they're bad. You can tell a healer they're bad. But DPS, those are sacred cows. You must protect them from the truth at all costs.

[Voltyblast]

Parsers are avoided and banned to avoid toxicity and abuse...by using toxicity and abuse. Love the irony here for sure!

As someone who occasionally uses it (I'm a tank so I only use it when I'm testing MY dps), it really helped me a lot of times to realize my faults and if my rotations worked and even if a DPS was low, I never even attempted to punish said player in question. Why? Because I'm not a prick and being one isn't worth it. Infact if this wasn't a witch hunt on parser owners, I would be glad to help anyone with their rotations or low dps.

With that said, I still wish for a parser only because it really would help out people to improve: without it I would NEVER realize how good I was, I would NEVER think I was a good dps (I used to play blm in hw and I rocked with it!) and without it I would also never realize what would work and what wouldn't. Parsers can do a lot of good, but also a lot of evil, but it's merely a tool that has no mind of its own and only serves one purpose: to give you feedback on everyone's performance.
But nope: instead people are too worried about being offended by a tool and instead of banning the ONE GUY using said tool for being a douche and just trolling, they just rather banish EVERYONE using said tool because "I don't want toxicity in my game!". Truly a brilliant logic!

Get out of your comfort zone people and start realizing that, sometimes, being told that you're a bad dps is useful in order to improve and that it's okay to ask for help in order to improve.
That is if you actually care about improving...if you don't, live and let live.

[NinjaTaru72]

Ehhh, this sounds like a bad idea. I think they should just allow parsers, period. And anyone who uses the parsing information to harass other players should get banned for the first offense. Permanently. Make the punishment so... well, punishing that the trolls will think twice before deciding to harass the heck outta someone for low DPS..

It would be nice, but Even if they made it a permanent ban people would still do it, and then they'd complain they shouldn't have gotten ban. Lol.

No, sadly is Much as I'm (obviously) voiced against parsers, more than likely nothing will be done to go either way with it. In the end its just a pointless drive, on both asking for it, and on my part. (Reports and whatnot.)