Question on DF expectations

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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The same "use PF" applies both ways. I do adjust based on whatever I get but frequently play tank to dictate the overall pace. I don't assume anything, let alone it's out of spite. I simply dislike the assumption people have lately that DF isn't a free-for-all. Who I quoted implied it should be the expected normal for people to "enjoy the dungeon." That is what I was responding to.

[Krotoan]

The same "use PF" applies both ways. I do adjust based on whatever I get but frequently play tank to dictate the overall pace. I don't assume anything, let alone it's out of spite. I simply dislike the assumption people have lately that DF isn't a free-for-all. Who I quoted implied it should be the expected normal for people to "enjoy the dungeon." That is what I was responding to.

your earlier post does imply you're adaptable to whatever comes your way as long as people are trying, yes, and credit is due there. I'd say the expected normal for DF would be "expect people who are seeing this for the first time and will have varying levels of interest and/or difficulty with the new content. " this may include people who are trying to "Enjoy the dungeon". And indeed, if you have problems either way, PF is the way to go. But I can forgive sprouts more for not knowing this than people who would rather do "optimal" runs. That kind of implies you should know more about how the game flows and what things you can do to limit your experience to what you want.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

your earlier post does imply you're adaptable to whatever comes your way as long as people are trying, yes, and credit is due there. I'd say the expected normal for DF would be "expect people who are seeing this for the first time and will have varying levels of interest and/or difficulty with the new content. " this may include people who are trying to "Enjoy the dungeon". And indeed, if you have problems either way, PF is the way to go. But I can forgive sprouts more for not knowing this than people who would rather do "optimal" runs. That kind of implies you should know more about how the game flows and what things you can do to limit your experience to what you want.

To be fair, sprouts are a different basket. I have far more patient with them or someone who announces they're new. There is a difference though between adapting and expecting DF is only for certain types of players. The latter is what I get more annoyed. Granted, I think we're more or less on the same thought. So I'll leave it there.

[Ilan]

My expectations are pretty much the same. Basically: know the basics of your job and put in some effort for your team. If you're a tank, you should know how to pull, use your cooldowns, keep hate and do some DPS. If you're a healer, you should keep people alive and do at least a bit DPS when possible. If you're a DD, you should know your basic single target / AoE rotation, use your cooldowns and also use your non-DPS abilities when needed.

For pulls, I expect the tank to do them according to what the party is capable of. If they're pulling just one group at the time and it's obvious the DPS is high and everything is going smoothly, I expect them to try pulling more to increase efficiency. If the tank is pulling many groups at once and the party is obviously struggling, I expect them to pull less for safety.

On yeah, and I expect everyone to be reasonably geared too. Not wearing level 20 stuff for level 50 dungeons etc.

I don't care how long the run takes if people are putting in effort and are accepting advice on how to improve if they are having issues.

I agree but sadly this didn't happen often the last weeks. Most of the times i get tanks who don't use cooldowns and/or can't keep hate, healers who can't heal properly, dps who literaly just use single target skills during pulls of 3+ mobs.

Not to mention the tank who was in a level 61 or 63 dungeon with an ilvl around 130! SE set ilvl requirements for the dungeons already...