Question on DF expectations

[Krotoan]

It adds up. I can speed through Kugane Castle in 10-11 minutes whereas it'll take double that for baby pulls. If I'm trying to cap Creation, you wanting a slow runs means what could taken 30 minutes to knock out three quick runs took an hour.



I do always love this strawman nonsense. How is my preference to speed through a dungeon I've ran 50+ times somehow judgmental or impatient? You want a leisurely stroll you can enjoy. Great! But if three other people don't, you're the one being entitled by trying to demand it.

Unless people are stating in chat at the beginning that "Hey , I really love this dungeons world, I'm gonna do tiny pulls so I can enjoy it" you're kind of assuming they are doing it simply to spite you or because they don't care about the rest of the partys objectives. Then again, if speed runs are what you're after, probably a PF is a better idea than a DF. Just using DF is accepting your experience is going to vary and demanding performance out of ANY party member beyond basic competency with their class is a bit entitled. I entirely support if someone is not listening to valid (polite or at least respectful) criticism, and if you got party majority, well then you have the power to kick whomever doesn't meet your standards. Random party though? slog through and better luck next time, or take your abandonment debuff and find something 'better" to do if you can't stand it.

DF is the cafeteria, take what you get on your plate , eat it and move on. Get in line again if you wanna retry for the better piece of chicken.

PF is the restaurant, order what you want and complain if it doesn't meet standards.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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The same "use PF" applies both ways. I do adjust based on whatever I get but frequently play tank to dictate the overall pace. I don't assume anything, let alone it's out of spite. I simply dislike the assumption people have lately that DF isn't a free-for-all. Who I quoted implied it should be the expected normal for people to "enjoy the dungeon." That is what I was responding to.

[Krotoan]

The same "use PF" applies both ways. I do adjust based on whatever I get but frequently play tank to dictate the overall pace. I don't assume anything, let alone it's out of spite. I simply dislike the assumption people have lately that DF isn't a free-for-all. Who I quoted implied it should be the expected normal for people to "enjoy the dungeon." That is what I was responding to.

your earlier post does imply you're adaptable to whatever comes your way as long as people are trying, yes, and credit is due there. I'd say the expected normal for DF would be "expect people who are seeing this for the first time and will have varying levels of interest and/or difficulty with the new content. " this may include people who are trying to "Enjoy the dungeon". And indeed, if you have problems either way, PF is the way to go. But I can forgive sprouts more for not knowing this than people who would rather do "optimal" runs. That kind of implies you should know more about how the game flows and what things you can do to limit your experience to what you want.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

your earlier post does imply you're adaptable to whatever comes your way as long as people are trying, yes, and credit is due there. I'd say the expected normal for DF would be "expect people who are seeing this for the first time and will have varying levels of interest and/or difficulty with the new content. " this may include people who are trying to "Enjoy the dungeon". And indeed, if you have problems either way, PF is the way to go. But I can forgive sprouts more for not knowing this than people who would rather do "optimal" runs. That kind of implies you should know more about how the game flows and what things you can do to limit your experience to what you want.

To be fair, sprouts are a different basket. I have far more patient with them or someone who announces they're new. There is a difference though between adapting and expecting DF is only for certain types of players. The latter is what I get more annoyed. Granted, I think we're more or less on the same thought. So I'll leave it there.