Question on DF expectations

[tinythinker]

asking can really be an inncovience sometimes it takes a bit to type out that every time you go into a dungeon. The best thing to do is play how you play and adjust accordingly, I know every dungeon for instance in the game is cappable of being big pulled. So I go in with the mentality to get the dungeon over with in 20 mins. That being said if a healer cant handle it then I will silently go back to the start and just do small pulls its really that simply I dont understand why people get all bent out of shape really. The only time I get mad is if I just don recieve a single heal at all and as someone whom plays all rolls, I know when I healer is using their skills or not.

If you know you are rusty/out of practice with the game, it isn't any harder to put that in the chat than it is for a new player to announce they are the reason for the bonus. Type it out before the queue pops and paste it as soon as the group is formed. I've done this as a new player and when I've been away, pasting it during the initial few seconds of the load-in time, and personally it helped me feel better about doing my best. The party then knew I was trying but might be rusty or forget some things on unique boss fights, so if they went ham and pulled all of the things they did so with the knowledge that I wasn't just lazy and that I might not be up to their standard. That took a lot of pressure off of me as a new/returning player and let me focus on the fights without the distraction of worrying about screwing up.

[bswpayton]

If you know you are rusty/out of practice with the game, it isn't any harder to put that in the chat than it is for a new player to announce they are the reason for the bonus. Type it out before the queue pops and paste it as soon .

That would work if you view new player bonus or returning player as a bad thing. The only time a bonus may matter is in a raid or ex trial which even then maybe it doesnt I dont assume that new players or returners are just bad. A good way to see if someone is bad is to look at their player bar, if the tank isnt using cool downs and ur healing u can see every time they use a df cool down. If a healer isnt using any buffs like largesse, regens, sheilds, rousing the fairy, thin air etc. The other day It was a returning player dragoon I dont think they used botd once I still didnt say anything because I dont like conflict.

But sometimes I will throw out tips tho, I was running msq the other day and the ot turned off grit and darkside Im guessing not knowing you can have darkside up without grit they arent one skill. But yea you can see effort by just seeing whether or not people are using their skills, just by lookin at their player bar thats the best indicator. To me its not really any excuse for not reading ur tool tips I dont expect 4k dps in a leveling dungeon or anything, but I will get frustrated if someone hasnt taken the time to read their tool tips.

And Id say the biggest grip would be dps that dont aoe, more so than any healer, new or returning if ur in a dungeon u aoe on trash mobs if its more than three adds I dont see how this can be excuse that includes tanks. Everyone has off runs are some people may have fatigue from runnin to much in a day, but in dungeons u aoe, use buffs on healer and tank, if you not tryin to do any of those then yea you are being lazy like someone else says.

But new are returning doesnt mean bad at all, most of the time Im lookin for bonuses for extra poetics for relics these days so I dont look at it as a bad thing at all. So its really no need to say hey do u want this are that the best thing to do is just play it by ear, and not get pissed cause some healer or dps couldnt handle my super pull.

[FoxyAreku]

I expect nothing from duty finder and avoid it like the plague for anything harder than a standard dungeon. Though I do roll my eyes if a healer has zero dps or if I take aggro from a tank, or if a DPS is performing woefully under par, I usually just try to finish as fast as I can.

[NinjaTaru72]

Some of the answers here are the exact reason I'm scared to take my war into roulette. As much as I'd love to try tanking, I don't like super heavy pulls. I don't want to over exert myself. But then if I don't I feel everyone will get mad at me.

Thats why I stick to Dps or heals sadly, as much as I'd love to get some experience on war.

[Avatre]

Some of the answers here are the exact reason I'm scared to take my war into roulette. As much as I'd love to try tanking, I don't like super heavy pulls. I don't want to over exert myself. But then if I don't I feel everyone will get mad at me.

Thats why I stick to Dps or heals sadly, as much as I'd love to get some experience on war.

When I tank, I go with what I'm comfortable with. I don't do the super large pulls all the time(especially if I don't know the healer), and have never had anyone say anything negative about the smaller pulls. There have been a few DPS who try pulling more for me, but I let them get SUPER close to dying before I grab the extra adds off them. They tend to stop doing it after that.

[bswpayton]

Some of the answers here are the exact reason I'm scared to take my war into roulette. As much as I'd love to try tanking, I don't like super heavy pulls. I don't want to over exert myself. But then if I don't I feel everyone will get mad at me.

Thats why I stick to Dps or heals sadly, as much as I'd love to get some experience on war.

Id say to me warrior is the hardest to do big pulls on , because overpower in my opinion sucks. Your aim has to be 100 percent accurate half the time, I have even slotted the aoe argo ability. Big pulls use to be so nice with flash now its like ugh on warrior. That being said can still be done and warrior has the shortest df cool downs of all the tanks. No need to be afraid just tank how you want just because people prefer large pulls doesnt mean that they will go crazy on you for doing small ones.

[tinythinker]

That would work if you view new player bonus or returning player as a bad thing. The only time a bonus may matter is in a raid or ex trial which even then maybe it doesnt I dont assume that new players or returners are just bad. A good way to see if someone is bad is to look at their player bar, if the tank isnt using cool downs and ur healing u can see every time they use a df cool down. If a healer isnt using any buffs like largesse, regens, sheilds, rousing the fairy, thin air etc. The other day It was a returning player dragoon I dont think they used botd once I still didnt say anything because I dont like conflict.

But sometimes I will throw out tips tho, I was running msq the other day and the ot turned off grit and darkside Im guessing not knowing you can have darkside up without grit they arent one skill. But yea you can see effort by just seeing whether or not people are using their skills, just by lookin at their player bar thats the best indicator. To me its not really any excuse for not reading ur tool tips I dont expect 4k dps in a leveling dungeon or anything, but I will get frustrated if someone hasnt taken the time to read their tool tips.

And Id say the biggest grip would be dps that dont aoe, more so than any healer, new or returning if ur in a dungeon u aoe on trash mobs if its more than three adds I dont see how this can be excuse that includes tanks. Everyone has off runs are some people may have fatigue from runnin to much in a day, but in dungeons u aoe, use buffs on healer and tank, if you not tryin to do any of those then yea you are being lazy like someone else says.

But new are returning doesnt mean bad at all, most of the time Im lookin for bonuses for extra poetics for relics these days so I dont look at it as a bad thing at all. So its really no need to say hey do u want this are that the best thing to do is just play it by ear, and not get pissed cause some healer or dps couldnt handle my super pull.

As someone who had some long breaks from the game, I don't think being new or being someone who doesn't get the chance to play as much as others is bad. I think, though, many people will judge you if there is no bonus announced and you have 2-5 jobs at max level and you are struggling or not up to a certain standard in some of the fights. The typical thought I have encountered being directed at players (not yet at me though, I guess I do well enough or have been lucky in who I get for groups) is that if you have multiple jobs at max level you must able to play very, very well in all but the newest content. If you don't, then it must mean you are selfish or lazy. Not everyone thinks this way, but many do and are really vocal about it.

Also, even when grouped players who are not judgemental (such as yourself), announcing you are coming back or are rusty is being considerate, as others will then know you might need help/advice. If I have been away and just do a run without letting the group know I'm really out of practice, for example, people will see I have WHM, SCH, and AST at 70 and some will assume that I am slacking when I make mistakes in healing or don't pull enough DPS. Or that I used jump potions/PotD and am a plague on the game. I am not telling other people who are returners or rusty they *must* do this because I personally say so, I just find that it helps me and the other people in my groups if I've been away a while. Some people are embarrassed or too proud to admit they might need some help or patience from others so I'm sharing my experience with that. If others don't feel the need or don't want to say they are getting back into the game, that's their choice and I'm not judging them for it.

[AlexionSkylark]

DF is a place where you go to CARRY people in exchange of tomes.

Simple as that. That was the intent design behind it, that's why it exists.

Trying to deny that is fooling yourself. You're there to carry the newbs and getting something in return for your trouble - tomestones.

So there's no point in expecting anything from there, you just go, do what you need to do, and if the run was fast and eventless, OK, profit. If it wasn't, it's PAR FOR THE COURSE, you just shrug it off and remember WHY you're there in the first place.

[Gemina]

DF is a place where you go to CARRY people in exchange of tomes.

Simple as that. That was the intent design behind it, that's why it exists.

Trying to deny that is fooling yourself. You're there to carry the newbs and getting something in return for your trouble - tomestones.

So there's no point in expecting anything from there, you just go, do what you need to do, and if the run was fast and eventless, OK, profit. If it wasn't, it's PAR FOR THE COURSE, you just shrug it off and remember WHY you're there in the first place.

You do have an expectation though. You queue expecting to carry people. It's a cynical expectation, but an expectation nonetheless. These kind of expectations are usually manifested as a result of them previously being too high; the consistent inconsistency has them grow bitter. It's difficult to dispute this when you make claims like the intent and existence behind DF is players of greater skill are there to carry others of lesser skill. If this isn't an superiority complex, I don't know what is.

DF doesn't exist for players to carry other players. I mean seriously, what kind of Debbie-downer attitude is that? It's there for players to help each other because everyone has a reason for using the DF. Whether it's for tomes, a quest, farming glams/cards/mats/etc. everyone, and I do mean everyone queues up with the expectation to clear the instance. And from my view point, anyone with a bad attitude is being carried. Regardless of their skill level.

[Zarabeth]

I have no issue at all with helping people learn fights. I'm not a fan of speed running everything and I state this when I'm healing so the tank knows. I just see no point in stressing everyone out just to shave a few seconds off a run. It's always more fun for me if it's a nice run where no one's blaming someone else for not playing like they want them to. I would much rather help someone new learn the ropes than try to push everyone as fast or faster than they can handle then get upset if it doesn't work out.